Jason Holden – Mr. 1%

by admin on February 28, 2006

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Jason A. Holden

Earlier today, I had a long discussion with Jason Holden about the principles he applies in going to market. In short, it comes down to common sense but there’s a lot of science in there as well. Jason regards ‘accounting’ as the utility foundation for his real role of advisor to his portfolio. Jason knows he’s not an expert in everything so has created a network of experts who can fill in the gaps wherever and whenever necessary. Each person in Jason’s network is a subject matter expert – say taxation or financing and they all operate in a non-compete, ‘always-on’ manner. They see it as a win-win-win. And I agree.

How does Jason support his clients? He is removing the rustbelt administrative book-keeping that accounts for 60-70% of a professional accountant’s time. He’s doing that as a Winweb gold partner. Any new client uses what Winweb offers or Jason politely points them elsewhere. The remainder of his portfolio is being brought onto the Winweb platform. Jason had looked at outsourcing but rejected the idea in the belief that over time outsourcing would erode the potential for bringing in new talent. (That’s a discussion for another day.)

Does Jason’s approach work? Absolutely. Winweb takes a client centric view of accounting so most clients can get up to speed pretty quickly. Jason supports them through the ramp up period with a ‘show and do’ approach. This is done within the framework of charging fixed fees. “I can’t stand time sheets,” kinda says it all.

So where’s the proof? “If you want to get me back into being an employed senior/partner then we’re talking six figures,” he says. Jason believes his fee income will double this year. And with virtually no increase in overhead. OK – so he’s a small practice and you can always argue that high percentage increases are meaningless. I disagree. We’re talking doubling/£x00,000+ puts it in perspective.

So where does the Mr. 1% come from? I’m firmly of the belief that there is a huge opportunity for professionals to get out from under the tyranny of accounts production and into the business of being relevant to their clients as trusted advisors. But there’s a problem. Being a professional accountant is no longer the guarantee of trusted advisor status it once was. There are too many distractions, too many scandals among the likes of KPMG and too much bureaucracy. The only sustainable way to move forward (IMO) is to remove the perception by standing alongside clients and trying to view the world through their eyes. That’s not simply a technology play, neither is it a cynical form of marketing. It’s common sense. Something the 2020 Group espouses (among other things). They have around 1,300 members. That’s about 1% of the available professional talent pool.

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It's about what you feel most comfortable with Stuart and how you can make those relationships work. Clients will always moan about fees but they moan a lot less when they see the work you're doing. Jason's approach makes sense to me. The people behind More have the same philosophy.

But...if they can't/won't pay then it doesn't matter how good you are, you're out of business in the end. So yes - I'd kill off the bottom 10% because it only needs replacing with 1% to achieve the same value and a darned sight more satisfaction.

Like you I have always picked up the hard luck cases but nowadays they won't/can't pay the right amount.

Sadly I believe that I am going to/ have already become hard and refuse this work. I also see that to a large extent my "personality" attracted this type of client. I don't mean this in some cosmic way more so I always favour(ed) the underdog.

I now believe I have to adopt a different image to attract the "right" client. What I can't work out yet is whether or not this a good thing or a bad thing.

Excellent point Stuart - there are of course no easy answers. But *if* my experience is anything to go by like minded people are attracted to one another. They like their uniqueness and diversity.

I started out picking up hard luck cases I could turn around on behalf of NatWest. It got me a decent little business in a relatively short period of time. Those clients were incredibly loyal and, in the end, valuable. While in partnership, I handled the cases the remaining partners couldn't figure out what to do with. It was less than 1% but provided a tidy fee income.

I do hope that nobody thinks I am trying to pour cold water on this idea or that I am being unduly cynical.

The 1% is a great idea, and something that we should all be trying to achieve. It is important, however, to remember what the hundred percent is. In my experience, most businesses will not change their accountants despite the (usual) poor quality service, which they are presently receiving. This is supported by an article I am currently reading from the University of Sydney.

If we accept this idea the 1% we need may well be 25% of what is available. A far harder task to achieve.

I would suggest that new businesses, although easier to attract in general do not have the quality of existing businesses. (You have to kiss a lot of frogs before you meet your prince).

In my opinion if you only want 1% of the businesses (and I do) you have to meet an awful lot of businesses. Nobody has shown me (and I've listened to an awful of the people) how to create this continuous stream of prospects.

My ears are open.

Hi Alastair, I am not saying for one minute my way is right, it works for us that’s all, do we loose many? no, every client we go for that we want, we get, but we are careful who we go for, and when we throw in FREE online accounting, which means we can truly add some value to what we do for them everyone wins, and that’s what this is, it’s a win win situation.

I am sure going forward we will start to loose some business, but you have to remember a lot of our business is either new starts ups or businesses that want more from their advisor, and in these situations what we offer is of benefit to all!

If we went for a client who is an existing business using Sage for example and would not change then we would walk away, but that’s our policy decision.

Graham, thanks for the reply, sorry if I sounded off hand, that wasn’t my intention. I do not expect clients to become grade 1 bookkeepers nor to post journals, we will always have to do that.

As I have replied to Alastair above, I am not saying our approach is right, its just the way we are doing it!

We too have clients on manual systems these are the ones going onto winweb first, and therefore these are the ones we expect to hear a lot from.

As for the rest, we actually talked to our clients first, this is not as bombastic an approach as it may sound, I am hardly going to leave myself penniless by saying use it or go!

Fortunately, apart from a small number, the majority of our clients can’t wait for us to help them get online. We will in 12 months time I hope have 90% of our existing clients on winweb and 100% of any new clients.

Winweb will not make them perfect bookkeepers but it will enable us to work more closely with them and that’s a start!

There's a choice here - you either want a profitable, quality practice or you want something else - when you *know* that a portion of the practice portfolio is only paying overheads then you've got to ask why? IMO.

Whether it is winweb or something else is less of a point. What matters is finding clients willing to take responsibility - otherwise you're always rolling the snowball uphill in the sunshine.

Jason
Let me deal with your last remark first. I cannot imagine why I should be embarassed about larger clients still having incomplete records. It's their choice and it doesn't make them bad clients.The issue is whether they want to change, and if not, then that's fine as long as they realise what the cost implications are. They, not unreasonably, want their accountant to do accountancy work.
Most SMEs in this country don't want to maintain perfect records in house.The proof of that is that we have had perfectly sound accounting software available for the last 20 years and yet clients still won't invest time in doing bank reconciliations, depreciation journals, etc. They're not THAT interested.
I quite agree that Winweb is largely better than Sage but don't get carried away with that just yet.The acid test is 18 months down the line when you can judge whether you've successfully managed to convince all your remaining clients to be grade 1 bookkeepers.
I shall follow that with interest.
By the way I'm no technophobe and I have fought the good fight with numerous partners over the years - just like Dennis.I think there needs to be a more off the wall approach to the online accounting function to get it working. 'More Accounts' goes some way towards this by forcing clients to do an assessment before they can use the online software. But maybe Thingamy is going to create the real revolution.

drawn by the fact that for your clients it is winweb or nothing. Do you monitor how many you loose as a result, or do you ignore it because what you get is more than profitable?

Graham, allow me the opportunity to reply to your posting, in the first part clients are far more willing to accept responsibility for keeping their own records than you think, through winweb we offer them a system that is more user friendly than the likes of Sage (this is the clients view, after all I can use Sage pretty well!). Moreover, winweb has real time assistants online to assist should the client decide not to phone us, if they phone us then we help of course. Our time involvement diminishes overtime, so yes for the first 12 to 18 months we may get a lot of ‘how do you do this’ or ‘ I have posted this wrongly’, this is something we accept, but after a good 6 months usually you will find the clients start to get better than me when using the system, so in my view, the initial time is my input into creating a long term relationship.

The alternative I guess, is like so many accountants still do, let the accounts come in every year in the same state and charge a lot of money for sorting them, that’s all very well and good but personally I prefer being a little higher up the chain and offer my clients a service that helps them evolve.

You are right Graham, a lot of accountants don’t make good business advisers, I still meet them today, they are very nice but as you said they implement some sort of ‘boot camp’ experience to advise, I’m sure it may work for some, we are fortunate that through our reputation, something we are continually building, work is finding us through word of mouth, we are being judged by our deeds and not what our corporate literature says!

And finally Graham, if you have a multi million pound client who is presenting you with a ‘incomplete records job’ then if that was me I would be very embarrassed!

Not clear where you're going Ric. My position: I said 'responsible' = that's critical to mutual understanding and respect. No-on'es seeking perfection. It's those are the clients I want. Am I clear here?

Two things about Graham's comments:

1. It seems that the type of client who doesn't help themselves ISN'T the type of client Dennis wants

2. If you only have that type of client be prepared to get paid less and less, have fewer clients, and be disrupted by a wave of 'advisors' who 'get' the collaborative nature of what Dennis is working on.

Sorry Graham but that's a very pessimistic and I'd argue narrow view of the world.

Of course there is a trade off. But with these newer systems, we're not expecting the client to understand double entry and all that revolting stuff. It's irrelevant. We are expecting them to make an effort. We are expecting them to have a much closer relationship. That's where YOU serve THEM.

But...if we pitch ourselves as glorified book-keepers then that is what we become - and expensive ones at that. I've never subscribed to that view and never attracted that kind of client. And I worked in a small practice where competition was extremely stiff.

So there's only one of two conclusions:

1. evolve
2. die

It really is that simple. Think just a few years out. Grad trainee+social network=value. What do you think they'd make of that point of view?

Graham,
Surely the point here is that plain "bookkeeping" competition from local non-accountants, off shore or the next guy down the road is becoming even more prevalent, so practices need to adopt this type of technology so they can move more of their time in to being a business adviser (and they'll have to learn fast).

Just to add something to Jason's story. I first "met" him through a reply he posted on AccountingWEB Any Answers and have been talking to him regularly ever since. I wrote a piece on the way he first presents himself to prospective new clients, and it's a nice lesson in how to get the basics of marketing right.

It still comes down to two things:
1.client willingness to be conscientious in keeping accurate records, and
2. the amount of intervention required to be done by the accountant to compile the accounts.
Products like WinWeb offer the facilty to do that in a more direct way on a regular basis - but will the time taken to assist with, for example, the bank reconciliation,still amount to the same in total ?
Small practices cannot be overselective in who they act for and the incomplete records jobs are still 95% of their fodder. And by the way,there are companies with multi million pound turnovers in that category.
And after all, that is what accountants do. I'm not sure I know that many accountants who I would rate as business gurus and the plain fact is that their clients don't either.Otherwise this 'business advisor'drum wouldn't have been banging for the last 10 years! (Remember Boot Camp 1995 ?)
Discuss.(!)

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