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		<title>By: Should you be thinking about Enterprise 2.0 in 2010?</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2006/02/28/the-34-minute-time-and-expense-app-thingamy/comment-page-1/#comment-517</link>
		<dc:creator>Should you be thinking about Enterprise 2.0 in 2010?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by my pal Sig Rinde got me thinking again. Some of you may remember Sig from my 34 minutes post back in February, 2008. Recently, he figured out a way of reducing the amount of time we spend [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Irregular Enterprise mobile edition</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2006/02/28/the-34-minute-time-and-expense-app-thingamy/comment-page-1/#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>Irregular Enterprise mobile edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] enterprise software without descending into marketing nonsense. In 2006, I wrote about Sig&#8217;s 34-Minute Time and Expense application. For me it was a watershed moment. Unfortunately, enterprise has yet to reach the same conclusion, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] enterprise software without descending into marketing nonsense. In 2006, I wrote about Sig&#8217;s 34-Minute Time and Expense application. For me it was a watershed moment. Unfortunately, enterprise has yet to reach the same conclusion, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; KPMG on Entertprise 2.0: a dud &#124; Irregular Enterprise &#124; ZDNet.com</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2006/02/28/the-34-minute-time-and-expense-app-thingamy/comment-page-1/#comment-515</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; KPMG on Entertprise 2.0: a dud &#124; Irregular Enterprise &#124; ZDNet.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Olivier thinks that the likes of KPMG, with their armies of super smart people will &#8216;get it.&#8217; I disagree. E2.0 challenges the consulting business model at many levels, especially in concepts around shared knowledge and cost. How for example do you compete against the 34-minute time and expenses application without a radical rethink? It certainly won&#8217;t come from a rework of past hierarchies. They&#8217;re already being eroded by the rust belt of defunct management thinking. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Olivier thinks that the likes of KPMG, with their armies of super smart people will &#8216;get it.&#8217; I disagree. E2.0 challenges the consulting business model at many levels, especially in concepts around shared knowledge and cost. How for example do you compete against the 34-minute time and expenses application without a radical rethink? It certainly won&#8217;t come from a rework of past hierarchies. They&#8217;re already being eroded by the rust belt of defunct management thinking. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AccMan Pro - Dennis Howlett on innovation for professional accountants &#187; Twinfield and thingamy developing at the IoD</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2006/02/28/the-34-minute-time-and-expense-app-thingamy/comment-page-1/#comment-514</link>
		<dc:creator>AccMan Pro - Dennis Howlett on innovation for professional accountants &#187; Twinfield and thingamy developing at the IoD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 07:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s the juicy bit - David was in the middle of developing an application for a client. With none other than our mutual friend Sigurd Rinde of thingamy and the 34-minute application fame. It looks as though the job David&#8217;s on is a bit more complicated than our application. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here&#8217;s the juicy bit &#8211; David was in the middle of developing an application for a client. With none other than our mutual friend Sigurd Rinde of thingamy and the 34-minute application fame. It looks as though the job David&#8217;s on is a bit more complicated than our application. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AccMan Pro - Dennis Howlett on innovation for professional accountants (no advertising required) &#187; Is practice development irrelevant?</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2006/02/28/the-34-minute-time-and-expense-app-thingamy/comment-page-1/#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator>AccMan Pro - Dennis Howlett on innovation for professional accountants (no advertising required) &#187; Is practice development irrelevant?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The packages John refers to do some of these things but none does it all. Crucially, none offers a way of truly understanding what makes the client relationship tick. If you have a handful of clients - as I did - then it is pretty easy. But if you have a burgeoning practice of thousands of clients you have to do things differently. So where&#8217;s the technology that will remove the non-value add stuff and which will transform those relationships. It&#8217;s at places like thingamy, wetpaint and Near-Time. These are the vendors that demonstrate genuine leadership. But not one of them appears on John&#8217;s list. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The packages John refers to do some of these things but none does it all. Crucially, none offers a way of truly understanding what makes the client relationship tick. If you have a handful of clients &#8211; as I did &#8211; then it is pretty easy. But if you have a burgeoning practice of thousands of clients you have to do things differently. So where&#8217;s the technology that will remove the non-value add stuff and which will transform those relationships. It&#8217;s at places like thingamy, wetpaint and Near-Time. These are the vendors that demonstrate genuine leadership. But not one of them appears on John&#8217;s list. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Business Two Zero &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Let&#8217;s do Sim Business with Thingamy</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2006/02/28/the-34-minute-time-and-expense-app-thingamy/comment-page-1/#comment-512</link>
		<dc:creator>Business Two Zero &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Let&#8217;s do Sim Business with Thingamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve just spent 90 minutes talking to Sigurd Runde who was showing me his Thingamy thingamy.&#160; The name of the product obviously comes from the fact that it isn&#8217;t easy to define, and doesn&#8217;t fit in to any current pigeon hole.&#160; This is a technology that you could use to build an application, very quickly, to solve a particular problem, or you could use it to create a complete CRM, ERP, and business process management solution for your organisation.&#160; This last sentence will be mind boggling for some managers and executives.&#160;

Why would you develop a new system from scratch yourself and have the hassles of maintaining it, when you can buy standard off the shelf software that does the job?&#160; Well, actually because the off the shelf solutions don&#8217;t do the whole job, are expensive to modify, and organisations tend to develop ad hoc, manual or Excel based systems around the edges to provide a complete solution, and things can fall down the cracks.

I was watching the dialogue on AccManPro with the 34 minute time and expenses app.&#160; Now that I&#8217;ve seen it, I can confirm that a business analyst with some knowledge of Thingamy will easily be able to create new applications in this kind of timescale.&#160; In the application build environment you create the business objects you need, with the appropriate properties.&#160;

You define the workflow of how they will be presented and used, with appropriate ownership, characteristics, meta data and tagging.&#160; You define the logic of how they are going to be used and reported on.&#160; The underlying technology is Thingamy&#8217;s own object oriented database which defines the containers and classes and workflows behind the scenes.&#160; Underneath the product has a kernel of code, the aforementioned OO database, a web server and talks XML to it&#8217;s own interfaces or the outside world, but lets ignore the&#160; technology for the moment.

This product challenges the business owner to do, as Sigurd explained, &#8220;Sim Business&#8221; and model his organisation&#8217;s processes, in the way my daughter models life with Sim City on her PSP.&#160; Sigurd argues that you should be defining your processes from their various starting points in the business, and tagging them so they are easy to access and find, rather than burying them in a traditional menu hierarchy.&#160; This is a radical approach to solving business process problems, and the technology enables an &#8220;Extreme Programming&#8221; approach to solution building.&#160;

The business analyst will be able to prototype the required new application in a minutes or hours rather than days and weeks, but then the prototype will be available to go in to production straight away.&#160; The solution can be refined as you go, or evolve and change in line with the way the business needs to develop.&#160; I&#8217;m very excited by this technology, and I&#8217;ll be working with Sigurd as he finishes the product and brings it to market properly.&#160; The costs are not yet finalised, but will be charged on a monthly, per user basis, and are likely to be similar in cost of ownership to MS Office.&#160; The current interface is workable, but
Sigurd knows it needs significant attention.&#160; He is focusing his development resources on making the logic and scope of the product work first.&#160;

I can also see problems coming with corporate IT, where they will be confused because the underlying database is &#8220;not Oracle&#8221; and &#8220;not Microsoft&#8221;.&#160; He has done his own thing for sound reasons to do with performance and scalability.&#160; Sigurd is very much the evangelist, who believes that organisations should start with a clean sheet of paper and model their processes from scratch.&#160; I think that many organisations won&#8217;t want to do that.&#160; They will have existing, core applications that work, that they won&#8217;t want to throw away.&#160;

Currently, to integrate to those applications can be done, but will require some systems integration expertise and programming.&#160; I believe Sigurd needs to produce some APIs to make it easy to exchange data and integrate with existing solutions.&#160; This would be a compromise, reducing some of the benefit of having all of the data and business objects defined in Thingamy&#8217;s schemas, but more than outweighed by the convenience of having Thingamy work with existing infrastructure.&#160; If he can do that, I can see how the product could become a tool of choice, regularly used to build comprehensive, robust solutions to replace all of those ad hoc, semi manual systems and spreadsheets.&#160;

I can also see how Thingamy will be introduced like the Trojan horse in to an organisation to solve a particular application problem, and then spread like (a friendly virus?)&#160;wildfire. Technorati Tags : thingamy, ERP, CRM, Accounting, Office, Excel, development, BPM, workflow&#160;Powered By Qumana      &#160; [link] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve just spent 90 minutes talking to Sigurd Runde who was showing me his Thingamy thingamy.&nbsp; The name of the product obviously comes from the fact that it isn&#8217;t easy to define, and doesn&#8217;t fit in to any current pigeon hole.&nbsp; This is a technology that you could use to build an application, very quickly, to solve a particular problem, or you could use it to create a complete CRM, ERP, and business process management solution for your organisation.&nbsp; This last sentence will be mind boggling for some managers and executives.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Why would you develop a new system from scratch yourself and have the hassles of maintaining it, when you can buy standard off the shelf software that does the job?&nbsp; Well, actually because the off the shelf solutions don&#8217;t do the whole job, are expensive to modify, and organisations tend to develop ad hoc, manual or Excel based systems around the edges to provide a complete solution, and things can fall down the cracks.</p>
<p>I was watching the dialogue on AccManPro with the 34 minute time and expenses app.&nbsp; Now that I&#8217;ve seen it, I can confirm that a business analyst with some knowledge of Thingamy will easily be able to create new applications in this kind of timescale.&nbsp; In the application build environment you create the business objects you need, with the appropriate properties.&nbsp;</p>
<p>You define the workflow of how they will be presented and used, with appropriate ownership, characteristics, meta data and tagging.&nbsp; You define the logic of how they are going to be used and reported on.&nbsp; The underlying technology is Thingamy&#8217;s own object oriented database which defines the containers and classes and workflows behind the scenes.&nbsp; Underneath the product has a kernel of code, the aforementioned OO database, a web server and talks XML to it&#8217;s own interfaces or the outside world, but lets ignore the&nbsp; technology for the moment.</p>
<p>This product challenges the business owner to do, as Sigurd explained, &#8220;Sim Business&#8221; and model his organisation&#8217;s processes, in the way my daughter models life with Sim City on her PSP.&nbsp; Sigurd argues that you should be defining your processes from their various starting points in the business, and tagging them so they are easy to access and find, rather than burying them in a traditional menu hierarchy.&nbsp; This is a radical approach to solving business process problems, and the technology enables an &#8220;Extreme Programming&#8221; approach to solution building.&nbsp;</p>
<p>The business analyst will be able to prototype the required new application in a minutes or hours rather than days and weeks, but then the prototype will be available to go in to production straight away.&nbsp; The solution can be refined as you go, or evolve and change in line with the way the business needs to develop.&nbsp; I&#8217;m very excited by this technology, and I&#8217;ll be working with Sigurd as he finishes the product and brings it to market properly.&nbsp; The costs are not yet finalised, but will be charged on a monthly, per user basis, and are likely to be similar in cost of ownership to MS Office.&nbsp; The current interface is workable, but<br />
Sigurd knows it needs significant attention.&nbsp; He is focusing his development resources on making the logic and scope of the product work first.&nbsp;</p>
<p>I can also see problems coming with corporate IT, where they will be confused because the underlying database is &#8220;not Oracle&#8221; and &#8220;not Microsoft&#8221;.&nbsp; He has done his own thing for sound reasons to do with performance and scalability.&nbsp; Sigurd is very much the evangelist, who believes that organisations should start with a clean sheet of paper and model their processes from scratch.&nbsp; I think that many organisations won&#8217;t want to do that.&nbsp; They will have existing, core applications that work, that they won&#8217;t want to throw away.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Currently, to integrate to those applications can be done, but will require some systems integration expertise and programming.&nbsp; I believe Sigurd needs to produce some APIs to make it easy to exchange data and integrate with existing solutions.&nbsp; This would be a compromise, reducing some of the benefit of having all of the data and business objects defined in Thingamy&#8217;s schemas, but more than outweighed by the convenience of having Thingamy work with existing infrastructure.&nbsp; If he can do that, I can see how the product could become a tool of choice, regularly used to build comprehensive, robust solutions to replace all of those ad hoc, semi manual systems and spreadsheets.&nbsp;</p>
<p>I can also see how Thingamy will be introduced like the Trojan horse in to an organisation to solve a particular application problem, and then spread like (a friendly virus?)&nbsp;wildfire. Technorati Tags : thingamy, ERP, CRM, Accounting, Office, Excel, development, BPM, workflow&nbsp;Powered By Qumana      &nbsp; [link] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2006/02/28/the-34-minute-time-and-expense-app-thingamy/comment-page-1/#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much feedback as possible please - I&#039;d like to know whether the thinking can be carried forward into real product - maybe for the channel?</description>
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		<title>By: David Terrar</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2006/02/28/the-34-minute-time-and-expense-app-thingamy/comment-page-1/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>David Terrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s difficult to get the full sense of this from a few screen shots, but it looks like a very powerful and useful tool.  I&#039;ll certainly be contacting Sigurd tomorrow to find out more and to take a closer look.  Good fertilisation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s difficult to get the full sense of this from a few screen shots, but it looks like a very powerful and useful tool.  I&#8217;ll certainly be contacting Sigurd tomorrow to find out more and to take a closer look.  Good fertilisation!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2006/02/28/the-34-minute-time-and-expense-app-thingamy/comment-page-1/#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looking at 10 partner, 100-120 person business scenarios - not hugely complex but a lot of reporting. Can be used as hosted but not proven. So really a lot depends on your circumstances - you could maybe see a 500 employee simple BTO type organisation getting into this - with 100&#039;ish on SG&amp;A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looking at 10 partner, 100-120 person business scenarios &#8211; not hugely complex but a lot of reporting. Can be used as hosted but not proven. So really a lot depends on your circumstances &#8211; you could maybe see a 500 employee simple BTO type organisation getting into this &#8211; with 100&#8242;ish on SG&amp;A.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2006/02/28/the-34-minute-time-and-expense-app-thingamy/comment-page-1/#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said - way better than a bunch of glossy brochures! Now - how do you see it scaling? Could you see it running a reasonable-sized (or even large) company?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said &#8211; way better than a bunch of glossy brochures! Now &#8211; how do you see it scaling? Could you see it running a reasonable-sized (or even large) company?</p>
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