Never is a long time

by admin on October 9, 2006

in Cloud Computing/SaaS

Phil Wainewright slams the idea that Office style services will go wholly online as naive.

The extent to which people are talking up this fantasy market for hosted personal productivity suites beggars belief.

Microsoft will be relieved. At one time I’d have agreed with Phil without a second thought. Today, I’m not so sure. A year ago I wouldn’t have thought I’d come off Outlook, then Thunderbird but I did. Today, I’m a Gmail junkie. Does that make me a sad techie person? Not at all. I’ve always had a love-hate relationship with technology and only get excited about it when it does something I find useful. Gmail fulfills that requirement.

Phil’s argument centres around two premises:

  • Desktop applications are inherently richer than SaaS
  • 99.9999% high speed access is a pipedream and that network flakiness acts as a brake to productivity.

A sizeable number of Phil’s commenters agree with him.

I agree there are some features in Office style apps I’d like to see in services like Writely and Zoho. But to simply write those services off on that basis is equally naive. How long did it take Microsoft to get Word into useful form? Compare that to Writely. We’re talking months compared to years. Salesforce.com has shown just how fast you can ramp up numbers of users and proliferate applications through it’s AppExchange platform. According to Dan Farber, some 60 applications added in the last quarter alone. EditGrid is an extraordinarily useful online spreadsheet that I could not have conceived even 3 years ago.

Phil asks:

Who in the world can guarantee that they will never have to work offline?

That’s a rhetorical question with enough by way of emphasis to ensure it is impossible to answer on any logical basis. No-one can guarantee they will never have to work offline. But users can choose whether the collaborative benefits of SaaS outweigh current functional or technical limitations. In my experience, it’s a no contest. SaaS wins every time. That’s not to say I don’t welcome the ability to use some offline services. The editor I’m using for this post allows for offline staging. Great when I’m thinking something through. But for most other things, it doesn’t matter. To me.

When Phil adds that:

the fact remains that personal creative tasks, such as composing text, editing a spreadsheet or creating content for a slide presentation are performed by individual effort. Collaboration is something you do when you break off to seek advice, information or inspiration, or when it’s time to review progress. When you’re mid-task, collaboration interrupts and even inhibits the flow.

he’s ignoring reality. Does the phone not ring in Phil’s world? Do email alerts not impinge? Don’t people wander up and ask questions? Or the dog nuzzle up looking for attention? Or children race in demanding help?

High speed connections can be spotty and do behave erratically at times. Which is not much good when you’re using multi-media applications. And it can be pretty frustrating if you’re manipulating a spreadsheet. The flaw in Phil’s argument rests in the assumption the status quo will not markedly improve. (You can also imply the development of high speed networks will lag developer ingenuity.)

That is to deny history. I’m sufficiently long in the tooth to remember when 4MB RAM was considered state of the art. The same when I spent £2,200 on an EIZO 17 inch monitor and the graphics card to power it.

Here in laggardly Spain, where telecoms innovation has been left to the start-ups, I’m seeing grid systems reaching people who previously had no telecommunications. Setup cost is minimal and to date, service performance and cost compares well with Telefonica’s copper based DSL service.

Phil may have a point today and on for the next couple of years. Never is way too strong.

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I've been working with mobile workers since 1987. That's 20 years that we've needed offline data. I predict 20 more years before we can drop disconnected methods for collaboration. Not the greatest analogy but 97 percent connected is like 97 percent optical character recognition. It means it really doesn't work - in data connection it means 3 failures for every 100 attempts to get connected (My own experience is that they happen at the worst times) - in OCR it means you've got to find those 12 mistakes on every page. Lets not forget the other 20 times that the connection is painfully slow. Why are people obsessed with pure web play SaaS? I would rather have an easy to use, instant download, sandboxed rich client.

Hi David
Yes I do remember my comments (re - UDL) what do you call the feature in Editgrid, do you have a link to docs about it?

I had a quick peak, boy you guys have been busy since I last visited..

I owe you guys a revisit and I need to follow up on the UDL and my older online spreadsheet posts. We have been a little busy recently preparing the new version of Folknology and other lab projects.

Lets catch up (al at folknology dot com)

P.S. Sorry to abuse your blog comments Dennis..

regards
Al

In many places in the world, internet is as available as air. I simply couldn't remember the last time when I've difficulty getting online.

I'm using a few different computers a day, what they have in common are: Firefox and the same set of bookmarks. Gone are the days I need to install (and pay!) apps on each of them and carry a memory stick which contain the documents.

I think the boundary of "personal" productivity suite is getting blur. Collaboration is a frequently required feature. When using apps online, you have collaboration by default.

Al, happy to see you again! Do you remember your comments in EditGrid blog? Your "Ultra Deep Linking" idea has been released in EditGrid and it is released in August. You can check our changelog for more details.

Regards,
David
EditGrid Team

P.S. Dennis, thanks for your kind mention again!

Dennis, you are right that such networks can be established, but I am not convinced that such a solution will be right for all. To many workers a disconnected solution is preferable, and I believe it will be some time before technology renders that obsolete.

BUT IT is littered with "jam tomorrow" failures.

The access issue at client sites is no longer an issue. It's possible to set up private wifi networks from client sites. It's possible to connect these to client netwrosk without compromising integrity.

That's a very good point Alastair, in many cases mobile workers such as your self would find it more difficult.

Personally I don't because when I am mobile:
1) I normally plug into customers networks (with there permission of course) or their wifi. Occasionally I use their systems (which makes the web based solutions even more convenient) rather than my laptop.
2) I have wifi roaming and can nearly always log onto a wirless network T-Mobile/BT cloud etc...
3) My fall back is my 3G/2.5G connection via my Phone using bluetooth, not as fast as wifi on the laptop obviously but adequate in most cases.

So it is possible to solve these issues if one so desires, and these days it's fairly low cost to do so.

And of course there is always the intelligent caching, which fixes a most of the remaining issues.

regards
Al

not difficult to find teams who do not get direct internet access. auditors and consultant types spend most of their working lives on client premises, and internet access is by default not available.

so do you build systems that work today, or tomorrow?

the SAAS model requires continual access, because that is where the apps are. There are models that allow disconnections from the net - those are the ones that the workers I refer to will pay dollars for today!

A simpler way to look at it is :
My up time (with internet access) is about 97%
My down time is therefore about 3%.

If my productivity during up time exceeds about 4% I am net positive..

And thats not even taking into account the mitigating effects of intelligent caching..

Why do so many people concentrate on that 3%, rather than the upside?

regards
Al

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