The paradox and politics of taxation

by admin on November 18, 2006

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I’ve long argued the Big Four are shameless in their pursuit of aggressive tax avoidance, a theme Richard Murphy uses to put over his views on a recent PwC report. Andrew Goodall makes an excellent point:

The impression is given here that it is almost always new tax legislation that starts the ball rolling. But there is, of course, “new” avoidance that seeks to undermine existing law. Avoidance itself breeds complexity.

All that PwC’s report seems to have say on this is a rather weak acknowledgement that “the Government may consider tax advisers (and perhaps business) as responsible by virtue of tax avoidance for much recent legislation”. It goes on to complain of “layer upon layer” of anti-avoidance rules. It could have gone on to make the case for a general anti-avoidance rule but, of course, it did not.

This has sparked a series of posts, where the debate continues.

Chris Steel (no link available), makes what I think is a potent point:

Earlier this week I sat in on a Jersey government public hearing regarding zero percent corporate tax. When two witnesses from E&Y and KPMG where asked by a politician about the possible consequences of fiscal meltdown regarding massive changes to fiscal policy the reply from the E&Y and KPMG representatives was a shrug of the shoulders.

As both Richard and I have asserted in the past, the Big Four are using the politics of PR to promote and operate schemes while simultaneously railing at government. As one national director of a Big four firm recently told me: “What they say and what they do are not by any means the same thing.”

Many people see tax as legalised theft and treat it accordingly. Both by deliberate fraud or through the avoidance services of tax accountants and lawyers. It is why people will shave house prices to avoid 1%. And it is pretty much universal.

You don’t have to live long in Spain to find any number of folk who are hiding wealth. Not just Brits but every nation state represented by its ex-pat population. In the last 2 years, money has been flowing out of Spain as Germans repatriate funds having been caught out through an information exchange scheme operated between Spain and Germany. There are so many non-tax paying Brits in Normandy that certain local tax districts have launched mass enquiries, using laws regarding the allowability of costs on property capital gains tax. The US system of 7,500+ state, federal and other taxes is used to great effect by tax practitioners.

Most practitioners I know will argue that Richard’s views run counter to what they believe is their duty to provide the best tax advice to clients. Richard in turn has said that a practitioner’s first duty should be to the practice and that requires reviewing the ethical position of creating schemes. Richard’s view is entirely logical but lop-sided.

Taxation represents an implicit contract between citizens and their rulers. Part of that contract is that we entrust government to ensure that bureaucracy be kept to a minimum commensurate with the changing needs of the population. This is an issue Stuart Jones addresses to great effect. Burning Our Money addresses this with relentless irony,humour and sarcasm – pretty much in equal measure. It is standard political commentator’s fare. Rarely do I see Richard offering as robust a critique of government spending. Check out BoM’s ‘Less Government’ link list.

If the Big Four realised the extent to which they could be a force for good, I’d be surprised if there would be a need for aggressive schemes. The simplest way to do this is to recognise the power they hold. Government needs their cooperation in collecting tax. If you agree with that assertion then Government profligacy and inefficiency becomes a fair question.

Burning Our Money puts all manner of figures forward but even if its estimates are 50% adrift from reality, we’re talking huge numbers. As they say:

They spend 42% of our income, yet fail to deliver decent services. They promise prosperity, yet tax and regulate our economy into stasis. They talk up social justice, yet consign millions to welfare dependency.

These are precisely the issues with which Richard concerns himself. Is it appropriate to ask for fairness? I believe it is. Are the arguments intellectually simple? Absolutely. Are they capable of easy to understand solutions? Now you’ve got me!

Fancy joining in Richard? Anyone else?

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ditto what John and Richard said.

I was gratified at my recent Harvard Business School 35th reunion to find something of a sea change. One of the most popular sessions pointed out the growing contradictions between democracy and capitalism. A few of the chronic Ayn Rand wannabes were in evidence, but I found for the first time that many MBAs who are now in their mid-50s are willing to be alarmed about the growing wealth imbalance in various societies.
I'd also love to see some serious work done by major private sector organizations like the Big 4 in support of stronger social contracts (and yes, more effective public institutions, but I'm with John, the private sector surely doesn't have magic bullets); and less focus on deepening the pockets of the highly wealthy.

Several quick comments.

Firstly, you can read about TJN's views on the accountability of government in 'tax us if you can'. You will find several references to the need for accountability, equity of treatment, and proper budget processes. TUIYC can be downloaded free from the TJN website at www.taxjustice.net. But this is not our primary focus, and we leave this largely to others, including political parties, to fight over. That said, I will be participating in a workshop on this subject in Ghana in two weeks time.

Secondly, having worked in both public and private sectors, I see little evidence of either being more or less efficient in its expenditure, and anyone who has ever worked in public sector procurement will also be aware that suppliers will pull every trick in the book to circumvent contractual obligations. For my own part, I had plenty of experience of using private sector consultants when I worked in the public sector, and the results were almost invariably mundane, lacking in original thinking, off-the-peg, and over-priced. The Big Five (as they then were) were amongst the worst in this respect.

Thirdly, it is disappointing that so much of your time is absorbed in defending the position of wealthy tax avoiders. When will I be able to read about tax accountants - other than Richard - arguing the case for a better deal for the poor? From where we sit, as campaigners for tax justice, the majority of your arguments reflect the worst of self-interest and indifference to injustice, too often dressed up as bogus political economics.

Best wishes,

John

Thanks Richard for the link. I shall continue my comments on your blog.

I've commented on why this is a debate I neither think balanced, or even the highest priority for concern at http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2006/11/21/what...

Having done some serious numbers its obvious that spending inefficiency at maybe 5% of government costs is a mere sideshow. Revenue abuse is way out the issue of concern we should be addressing.

In which case, as I ask on my blog, why are the right wing so keen to promote the wrong issue? Have they something to hide?

Richard, once again I don't understand something! You say " These guys are out in the wilderness of the political fringe. Those in power know that too. Which is why they ignore them."

Why do you have to be "within the political fringe" to be noticed/listened to? If everything they say is wrong then it should be ignored but why must the truth be ignored as well.

My personality prevents me from being a politician but I pay my taxes, obey the law and am kind to animals. My views and comments are ignored by the politicians and ne'er-do-wells in Cumbria. Is it because I am not part of the political establishment?

Three points.
1 Virtually all of the tax legislation I have seen in the last 10 years or so has been ill thought out, badly drafted and appallingly executed.Result ? Complete chaos.
2 The Big 4 can make a positive contribution on behalf of the accountancy profession by telling The Treasury to go screw itself occasionally. HMRC need our help and yet treat most of our clients as tax dodgers - especially OMBs. A bit rich given that we and our clients are doing most of the tax collecting.
3. The penalty the Treasury pays for cock ups should be commensurate with the penalties and interest it levies on tax payers.Why haven't there been mass sackings at the Treasury over the ongoing ,and criminal, tax credits scandal?
We should hunt down, far more diligently, those who waste our money both at central and local government levels.
If Richard Murphy doesn't want to bring that sort of balance to his campaign then it has no merit in my opinion.

Richard: I won't go down the political posturing route (I can hardly do that with any credibility given I'm a non-voter) and a general discussion around NHS doesn't lead us anywhere.

To the discussion I was hoping to engage: you propose tax justice with which I have no problem whatsoever. The foundations for your general thesis are sound and the proposed outcomes something with which government would find it hard to argue - especially as they are revenue generative.

However, IMO the argument has to be seen in the context of the system within which it exists.

Many professionals with whom I speak say they have no worry about being the unofficial adminstrators of the UK tax system. That is not their concern. But they see a complex and uncertain system as unfair when weighed against the continuing stream of reports pointing up the extent to which the State is sucking up tax monies on increased bureaucracy and waste. That's a reaction to clients concerns.

The other effect is that firms are being forced into creating short life schemes that have to be marketed quickly before government closes what it considers yet another loophole.

I'd expect the Big Four to use their collective position to influence government in a constructive manner. Which absolutely should include issues around simplification and certainty. It seems they are failing. That could readily explain their strident position regarding tax competition, offshoring and so on.

The risk of the current situation getting much worse is a polarisation of opinion that leads to a stand off.

I'm therefore arguing that in the pursuit of justice and fair taxation, it is reasonable to bring government to account. You may not see that as a priority for TJN, but I see it as a way of driving home the veracity of your general position. In one sense, it could act as the healing balm that allows TJN to work with the Big Four while maintaining your general position regarding aggressive tax avoidance.

Dennis

Sorry. No play. I / we are serious about what I / we are doing. And those in power know that. These guys are out in the wilderness of the political fringe. Those in power know that too. Which is why they ignore them.

I'm happy to do the same.

And whilst we're at it - the NHS is no more toe curling than any large organisation that lays down rules for control and as such constrains choice by those with local knowledge. But that's a systemic failing common to all large organisations, whatever the ownership structure.

The only trouble in the case of the NHS is that market theorists persuaded politicians to listen and the reslt was an entirely bogus quasi-market. The result has been vast sums wasted on admin quite unnecessarily. In other words, on this occassion the right wing took over the asylum.

One has to hope it doesn't happen again.

Richard

Richard: I sense you're falling into the classic campaigner's pit - forgetting the similarities and focusing on the differences. When I read BoM, I see massive similarities in the two positions. Don't you think it's disingenuous to dismiss as 'nonsense' verifiable or reported facts? As I said, it matters not whether the author is 50% adrift or otherwise. He makes a valid general argument.

Economics as we both know is one of the most imprecise "sciences" known to man - in a constant state of revision as past theories fail in practice. They don't stand the test of Popperian science - IMO.

I also know something about the NHS - my son in law is a senior procurement manager. The tales he tells are toe curling.

I did say - 'standard political commentators' fare' - subtle but important difference.

Dennis

I'm amused you suggest my approach lop sided but then refer to the 'Burning Our Money' web site. You may think this to be 'standard political fare'. I don't. Nor do I for one moment propose to engage, as you suggest I should, on the subject of government spending using its 'robust critique'. There's a good and simple reason.

This is not 'standard political fare'. This is standard pretty right wing nonsense. It's debate at a level somewhat lower than Melanie Phillips and the Daily Mail manage. The site is a web of misinformation. Indeed, it's so rigorous that the nonsense it puts out is written under a pseudonym. I have, for example read some of what it reports on the NHS (I subject on which I know someting - my wife is a GP) and the story told is a complete misrepresentation of the economics of UK healthcare.

I'm more than happy to engage in a debate on government spending. I'm also happy to acknowledge that government is at least as inefficient on occasion as Sainsbury's was with it's new IT systems. But I'm not willing to debate at this level. That's a waste of time.

Richard
www.taxresearch.org.uk/blog/

Thanks for pointing us to Burning our Money.
The gravy train continues, however, and appears to be getting bigger!
My latest post highlights yet more money being wasted in the North West.

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