SaaS pricing and integration issues

by admin on March 6, 2007

in Innovation

I concluded my last piece with a question about SaaS pricing for VSB/SMB. This is something that’s been at the back of my mind for a while but following that piece plus work I’m doing elsewhere, it struck me there are real pricing issues for the SMB user. In the last piece I drew comparisons between Blinksale, Freshbooks and Basecamp. Let me explain the pricing rationale:

Reasonable combinations:

  • 1+4 = $36/month
  • 1+3 = $51/month
  • 2+3 = $76/month



If you decided that 2+3 was the right combination then you’d be paying £40/month for the combined service. That’s not too bad but compares unfavourably with accounting products and services. For instance, the top line price for bog standard Sage Line 50 is around £500 plus maintenance. You could use Winweb for free. If you’re a Twinfield user then expect to pay £20-30/month for those who get Twinfield via their accountant.

You can argue that the accounting products and services are more attuned to the professional market than end users, are more mature with much larger presence than the likes of Basecamp and FB and so can afford to be more competitively priced. That’s a valid argument except that these new services report high registration numbers, increasing at a fair clip. Last July, FB had 65K registered, Today it reports in excess of 125K. So either they’re coining it handsomely or registration is not the same as paid for usage. I suspect that in those cases where people are paying for the service, it will mostly be at the bottom end of the scale.

From a cost perspective, there is no room for price negotiation or discounting because you’re dealing with 2 or more independent vendors. That makes for tough choices unless you see the value of the non-accounting services as worth significantly more than the asking price. Nevertheless, it does mean users will need to do a fair amount of head scratching to figure out the best combination of services.

There is no real integration elsewhere. For US customers, there is QuickBooks 2004/2005 and Simply Accounting import/export to Freshbooks. These are little more than file uploads and downloads so for me, they’re not integrated at all. I’m surprised there is no integration to QuickBooks Online, even though it’s a US only service. Neither Winweb nor Twinfield have integration to FB. Winweb will argue they provide “all you need for small business.” That may be true but does it provide the kind of functionality and (crucially) ease of use that a small business person in service industries needs? Sort of. Like Twinfield, it has yet to establish a US presence so it is understandable.

The logical next step is for Basecamp and FB functionality to be absorbed into an accounting service but in such a way that end users can do what they want with ease while the heavy number crunching that professionals undertake is reflected in the functionality they require. This could come from integration to existing services, the development of fresh capability in FB/Blinksale or the emergence of an entirely new entrant. I have to say I think the last option is unlikely.

Some might ask why I’ve not discussed other services like NetSuite or RightNow. They don’t register on the radar. Salesforce.com has integrations to Intacct and QuickBooks Online and those look to be useful. Provided you need what SFdC delivers and are prepared to pay the starting price of $695 pa for 5 users or $65 per month for individual users. Those figures rise dramatically as you add functionality beyond basic account, activity and contact management. But…if the business consists of more than a handful of people who are concentrating on sales, then SFdC with QBO makes a lot of sense for US businesses. In the UK, Sage isn’t going to bail you out any time soon and I have no line of sight into other service providers which may be looking at this issue.

In a so-called always-on, connected and flat world, I’m amazed this is not receiving any appreciable airtime. Innovation in accounting? I guess it’s all at the baby steps level right now.

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John - I said 'NetSuite doesn't register on my radar' - hence I made no comment.

It's simply not correct to assert that integration doesn't work. If that's the case then companies are wasting billions of $$ on doing precisely that type of work. I have a fistful of cuse cases that show integration does work and delivers value. Otherwise, we're all wasting our time on the connected web. That's something I don't believe for one moment.

NetSuite doesn't require a link to an accounting package, because it has an accounting package built in! It started its life as NetLedger!!!

That's the benefit of it...you don't have to integrated it with something else (which never works anyway).

Time59 (www.time59.com) is a web-based app offering time tracking, invoicing and accounts receivable for $19.95 per year. Unlimited use. It's a solid service at a reasonable price.

Dennis,
We'll be taking the "stable of services" approach. I actually think we need plenty of choice. For example OpenCRM won't be right for everyone, so we'll endeavour to provide equivalent links to Salesforce and CRM Live as well.

Ali - this is a whole new area of discussion that has yet to be properly explored. It would take number of posts to fully elucidate the issues I believe are involved. There's a lot more fact finding and validation to be done before I can credibly say more.

Al - you're bang on correct about the maintenance cost issues though I suspect the argument there has not been fully explored. Shouls I for example pay 15-20% simply for bug fixes on a product that is 20+ years old and which is not being given a real dust off for new, *useful* functionality? I don't think so.

I have more data on this related to other value add services with which this can be usefully compared that I cannot discuss right now as they're part of a deal to which I am privy but which sheds light on the topic. As soon as I've got the all clear, those who read this blog will be the first to know!

Excellent article Dennis.

I would also add that where you are indicating traditional software products (such as Line 50) you should also indicated the added maintainance costs of installing and running locally which the SaaS offering have built in.

But this whole story is fascinating and one I have been grappling with sometime given Folknology's focus on mashingup services for business.

I have just added a post to riff on your conversation here expressing some of our thoughts around this subject.

The pricing around services has to work it's way through the market, we are still at the beginning in many ways, and market pressure hasn't yet worked it's magic, but it is comming it is just 'not evenly distributed yet'. sorry to mash such a good quote quote!

If SaaS does take off to an appreciable extent, how is that going to change things for the likes of IRIS, Sage, PTP etc? Are they likely to adapt or die? How would it change how accountancy practices currently offer systems support?

I was interested in Mr Howlett's comment on the Holland article over at AccountingWeb.

"Sorry guys but I've moved on from SaaS - to me it's a redundant discussion. Reason is simple - it's all about services, the software is a given."

Could a future blog post expand on that?

Sorry for the OT questions, but I'm new to the debate and quite intrigued by it.

Good to hear David - do you expect to develop relationships such that you can offer a 'stable' of services across different functional silos or 'slices' of functionality coordinated through the TF platform?

Dennis,
I agree with you that it's surprising. As well as trying to talk to FreshBooks to connect, at Twinfield we have an off the shelf integration with OpenCRM. OpenCRM is an open source "CRM plus" application that handles sales order processing, purchase order processing and stock control (plus other things too), and works with Twinfield to provide a more complete commercial solution for the SME/SMB customer. We provide the solution fully hosted, and the pricing makes sense compared to the equivalent Salesforce modules. Up to now the accounting practices have only been mildly interested, and we have pitched it to a number of SME situations, but we need a case study of the two working together - we're working on getting to that.

I'm convinced that connecting web services together in this way is absolutely the way to go.

Allan - we both know this service is in late alpha. When it's rather more function complete then by all means mention it again.

I thought some of your other readers might want to know about our new app (LessAccounting.com) It will integrate with basecamp, tickspot, harvest, freshbooks and blinksale.

We are in beta testing it right now, it has some interesting features.
http://www.lessaccounting.com

Core Functionality -----
Expense Tracking (with Mileage Log)
Simple Sales Lead Management
Proposal Creation and Sending
Invoicing and Payment Tracking

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