Just how far are we on the saas/on-demand journey

by admin on September 26, 2007

in Cloud Computing/SaaS,General

A recent email from a company in the market for an on-demand business solution got me thinking about the current state of play. This particular company is a NetSuite user. It is thoroughly ticked off with what it sees as early stage, buggy software. It runs an operation which uses an online shopping cart that ‘should’ feed seamlessly to the back end accounting and it wants CRM capability. It’s a 6 person business.

I was hard pressed to provide an alternative vendor operating in the UK capable of providing that level of functionality, though I did point them to Pearl and Twinfield as possible contenders. Xero looks cool but doesn’t really have the capabilities this company wants. The company said it is seriously considering Salesforce.com for CRM and hoped there is an accounting vendor that plugs into the SFdC platform. There is – but not for the UK, or rather not for a company of this size.

I was struck by two things:

  • Salesforce.com has clearly done a great job of grabbing mindhsare. I’ve said before that potential customers of all sizes but especially small businesses are now looking closely at SFdC as a supplier. A year ago they would not have bothered.
  • Despite its size, the company is asking for sophisticated capabilities. It seems that even the smallest of organizations has a level of expectation with which the vendor community struggles.

The incumbent accounting software community is woefully backward in its approach to this technology shift. That is despite the fact there are huge opportunities at both the VSB and mid-market levels. SAPs entry into the market last week is a strong validation but it is at the bottom end where much has to be done.

I believe it is myopic that Sage, Exchequer, MYOB and Intuit are seemingly doing little or nothing to enter this market. In one sense that’s great because it provides opportunity for offerings from the likes of Liberty, Winweb, Kashflow and even FreeAgent to put stakes in the ground the incumbents will be hard pressed to roll over. The days of brand are over and the fact that all of the vendors I’m mentioning appeared in the email should be testament to that.

It is clear however that the newer entrants will need to flesh out their offerings and provide integrations to a variety of systems if they are to provide the business services customers are demanding. The days of the stand alone accounting package are clearly numbered.

In the meantime, I advised this customer to return to NetSuite and beat it up over service. NetSuite won’t want to be seeing customer attrition, especially as it gears up (allegedly) for an IPO.

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@Zoli: you're right for the 95% of applications where APIs have not been architected into the solution. We don't think that's right, especially in light of what we're seeing at places like Twitter and FB. Different thing of course but the principles remain the same. It is clear that 'open' is attractive.

Duane,

You're saying:

"Stand-alone “modules” that allow the user to pick’n'mix and end up with a fully integrated system are the way forward."

But reading your exchange with Dennis, you're discussing standards, formats ..etc - clearly at this stage we're far from plug & play, and integration of standalone modules id far from a user -function: it's an IT job. Which is precisely what the SME / SMB don't have, hence the "pre-integrated" or all-in-one SaaS offerings are the way to go for a large segment of this market. (Essentially any business without a dedicated IT department).

Good point.

I'll look forward to hearing the idea once it's debonkerised.

Duane

Duane: much as it sounds like a great idea, campaigning doesn't get the job done. It comes from the bottom up - ie customers making demands upon wihch like minded people are prepared to respond. There is another approach but if I talk about it here before getting the picture fully flshed I have no doubt I'd be branded as bonkers. All I'll say right now is watch this space...

By format, I don't mean the language. I mean an agreed structure for entities/business objects such as invoices, customers, contact etc.

Our API is XML/SOAP based. Whilst this provides a standard language for the data, there is no agreed format on what nodes an "invoice" element should contain and what those nodes should be called.

If a standard for that existed (probably in the form of an RFC) then we'd all be a step closer to being able to being provide true integration between various products. Thus empowering the user to pick and choose the best products to suit their needs.

Fancy spearheading a campaign, Dennis?

Data format: XML anybody...XBRL..coming soon. APIs that actually work.

SME's shouldn't have to. Ideally the services should be plug'n'play.

For that to work there would need to be a standard format agreed for the exchange of business data.

Technically not a huge job, but very difficult in practise as it'd require a number of commerical rivals to co-operate.

A move away from proprietary data formats would surely be a Good Thing, but I can't see it happening anytime soon.

I'd love to be proved wrong.

SME's don't want to send time and money integrating different pieces of software, but they do want the benefits. I've trawled through the SF site in the past looking for accounting system integration and it has always been depressing experience.

Good luck to all the vendors out there that pre-integrate their software, as David Turner notes there is the demand for integrated apps.

@Dave: Congratulations. Makes Softworld look shabby ;)

@Duane: This is a challenge for all players. In my role with FreeAgent, we're figuring out where our core competency sits in the market, looking to extend it and then partner/integrate for everything else.

Quite how this works out remains to be seen but I would not be surprised to see us using an integration platform for multi-tenancy.

Your closing comment that "The days of the stand alone accounting package are clearly numbered" strikes a chord with me.

At KashFlow (uppercase F, please!) we looked at various possible future developments including payroll, CRM, shopping carts, etc.

We decided (for now anyway) to stick to what we do best: simple accounting software, and instead put our resources into continuing to improve what we have and beefing up our API so that other programs can hook into us and eventually vice versa.

Stand-alone "modules" that allow the user to pick'n'mix and end up with a fully integrated system are the way forward.

Hi Dennis - nice post, couldn't agree more with your conclusion that even small businesses demand sophisticated functionality. That entirely validates CODA's strategy, which is to bring enterprise level functionality to SMBs. And of course, you've highlighted why Salesforce is the platform we've chosen to back.

At the same time as announcing CODA 2go last week, we also launched our Integrator, which integrates (or strictly, creates a mash-up) between our current Financials (available as a fully hosted web system) and Salesforce. You wouldn't believe how busy our stand was at Dreamforce - it's the first time in my 17 years in marketing that we've ever run out of enquiry forms and materials.

It just shows how desperate Salesforce users are for functional, stable and proved accounting software to link with their CRM. Even if it's not strictly SaaS...

Perhaps I should have been clearer. Not in the UK.

You are perhaps being a bit hard on Intuit by lumping them in with Sage. Between QuickBooks Online and QuickBase the company claims nearly 500,000 on-demand users.

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