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		<title>By: vacuum forming</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/05/13/the-difficult-language-of-web-20social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4774</link>
		<dc:creator>vacuum forming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ideologies of the thirties filled the vacuum left by the loss of faith in religions....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>ideologies of the thirties filled the vacuum left by the loss of faith in religions&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: vacuum forming</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/05/13/the-difficult-language-of-web-20social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-10287</link>
		<dc:creator>vacuum forming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

ideologies of the thirties filled the vacuum left by the loss of faith in religions....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>ideologies of the thirties filled the vacuum left by the loss of faith in religions&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: chamtech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tech news links 17/05/08 - technology news, comment and views</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/05/13/the-difficult-language-of-web-20social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4773</link>
		<dc:creator>chamtech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tech news links 17/05/08 - technology news, comment and views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Engaging post on Web 2.0/social media by Dennis Howlett who works entirely &#8220;in the cloud&amp;#8221... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Engaging post on Web 2.0/social media by Dennis Howlett who works entirely &#8220;in the cloud&amp;#8221&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Howard-Sarin</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/05/13/the-difficult-language-of-web-20social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4772</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Howard-Sarin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Melanie: Is that a joke? Because you certainly demonstrated the reverse-snobbery of &quot;creatives&quot; toward business, and thereby kinda proved Dennis&#039; point.

Your point seems to be that corporations aren&#039;t really different from the Web utopians, just slower.  That&#039;s a POV unlikely to endear you in any context, especially when punctuated with a command to  &quot;adapt or perish.&quot;

Some creative, non-mainstream ideas get popular and become mainstream. But most don&#039;t. Some ideas change how business is done in some places; most don&#039;t. It&#039;s nuts to assume that the mainstream-adoption rate will be inevtiably higher for the socal-technology ideas being fostered right now on the Web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Melanie: Is that a joke? Because you certainly demonstrated the reverse-snobbery of &quot;creatives&quot; toward business, and thereby kinda proved Dennis&#039; point.</p>
<p>Your point seems to be that corporations aren&#039;t really different from the Web utopians, just slower.  That&#039;s a POV unlikely to endear you in any context, especially when punctuated with a command to  &quot;adapt or perish.&quot;</p>
<p>Some creative, non-mainstream ideas get popular and become mainstream. But most don&#039;t. Some ideas change how business is done in some places; most don&#039;t. It&#039;s nuts to assume that the mainstream-adoption rate will be inevtiably higher for the socal-technology ideas being fostered right now on the Web.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/05/13/the-difficult-language-of-web-20social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4771</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 17:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without motivating utopias there would be no web.

The web was created by weird people. The weirdest of these people are still going strong and continue to come up with ideas, tools and practices that the business world eventually adopts.

Those of us who think differently - creatives, makers, philosophers - non-corporate in the box types have always been a threat to corporate thinking because it is the very definition of a closed system. The corporate world - like academia and education - consititutes an echo chamber that is only just now starting to change. That change, I&#039;d argue, is a direct consequence of the democratization of technologies and the voice of the commons.

I&#039;m tired of hearing people say &quot; should&quot; in relation to the web.  That smacks of net neutrality and top down control to me. And I hear this &quot;should&quot; speak every time there&#039;s a new application &quot;it should be this. This is what it should be used for.&quot; I&#039;m sorry, we will define what it is and will be. We the users. Corporations can learn from us. And they can choose to adapt or perish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without motivating utopias there would be no web.</p>
<p>The web was created by weird people. The weirdest of these people are still going strong and continue to come up with ideas, tools and practices that the business world eventually adopts.</p>
<p>Those of us who think differently &#8211; creatives, makers, philosophers &#8211; non-corporate in the box types have always been a threat to corporate thinking because it is the very definition of a closed system. The corporate world &#8211; like academia and education &#8211; consititutes an echo chamber that is only just now starting to change. That change, I&#039;d argue, is a direct consequence of the democratization of technologies and the voice of the commons.</p>
<p>I&#039;m tired of hearing people say &quot; should&quot; in relation to the web.  That smacks of net neutrality and top down control to me. And I hear this &quot;should&quot; speak every time there&#039;s a new application &quot;it should be this. This is what it should be used for.&quot; I&#039;m sorry, we will define what it is and will be. We the users. Corporations can learn from us. And they can choose to adapt or perish.</p>
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		<title>By: Thierry Férey &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-05-13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thierry Férey &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-05-13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The difficult language of Web 2.0/social media &#124; AccMan (tags: web2.0 business) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Euan W Semple</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/05/13/the-difficult-language-of-web-20social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4769</link>
		<dc:creator>Euan W Semple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;v responded on my blog - at some length!

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;v responded on my blog &#8211; at some length!<br />
 <img src='http://www.accmanpro.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/05/13/the-difficult-language-of-web-20social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4768</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 11:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair comment Euan though it&#039;s not the way I read it (the perils of context!!)

My argument is that the para you wrote provided a very one sided view of events. I&#039;d give much greater weight to the influence of the Freudian movement under Bernays interpretation in the context of business.

Even so, it doesn&#039;t address the language issue as I find it, hence my alternative way of considering how language could be moderated.

I trust you see that while we may not agree in the detail, I&#039;m offering a considered alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair comment Euan though it&#039;s not the way I read it (the perils of context!!)</p>
<p>My argument is that the para you wrote provided a very one sided view of events. I&#039;d give much greater weight to the influence of the Freudian movement under Bernays interpretation in the context of business.</p>
<p>Even so, it doesn&#039;t address the language issue as I find it, hence my alternative way of considering how language could be moderated.</p>
<p>I trust you see that while we may not agree in the detail, I&#039;m offering a considered alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: euan</title>
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		<dc:creator>euan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The perils of quotes.

My reason for writing the paragraph you quoted was in fact meant to be a warning against too ideological an approach to what IMHO should be individual and pragmatic. Much of my work is with the very people you imply might feel uncomfortable with my ideas as the insitutions they work for  try to keep up with the changing expectations of their workforces.

As to ignoring the effects of PR and marketing I&#039;d love to but, as discussed in &quot;Mediated&quot; it&#039;s bloody hard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The perils of quotes.</p>
<p>My reason for writing the paragraph you quoted was in fact meant to be a warning against too ideological an approach to what IMHO should be individual and pragmatic. Much of my work is with the very people you imply might feel uncomfortable with my ideas as the insitutions they work for  try to keep up with the changing expectations of their workforces.</p>
<p>As to ignoring the effects of PR and marketing I&#039;d love to but, as discussed in &quot;Mediated&quot; it&#039;s bloody hard!</p>
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