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	<title>Comments on: Getting help, growing networks: Twitter</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/16/getting-help-growing-networks-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5438</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a recent and speedy convert to the twitter community and watched in amazement at the response James received.

Fascinating article and certainly something that needs to be looked into further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a recent and speedy convert to the twitter community and watched in amazement at the response James received.</p>
<p>Fascinating article and certainly something that needs to be looked into further.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/16/getting-help-growing-networks-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5437</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jon - get a gravatar please.

I&#039;ve seen a report on the friend/follower thing that I have uploaded to DropBox:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://(https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/Twitter/twitter.pdf?w=cebeeea3)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/Twitter/twitter.pdf?w=cebeeea3)&lt;/a&gt;. It comes out of HP Labs. It&#039;s a decent explanation of the concepts but I think it misses a few tricks. So for example it doesn&#039;t address the issue of loose ties being formed and reformed, nor does it address the issue of ambient intimacy that is critical in these scenarios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jon &#8211; get a gravatar please.</p>
<p>I&#039;ve seen a report on the friend/follower thing that I have uploaded to DropBox:  <a href="http://(https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/Twitter/twitter.pdf?w=cebeeea3)" rel="nofollow">(</a><a href="https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/Twitter/twitter.pdf?w=cebeeea3" rel="nofollow">https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/Twitter/twitter.pdf?w=cebeeea3</a>). It comes out of HP Labs. It&#039;s a decent explanation of the concepts but I think it misses a few tricks. So for example it doesn&#039;t address the issue of loose ties being formed and reformed, nor does it address the issue of ambient intimacy that is critical in these scenarios.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Reed</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/16/getting-help-growing-networks-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5436</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis, you make a good point here about the caliber of followers. I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s true in all industries, but certainly in the SAP world some pretty interesting people are on Twitter. I&#039;m pretty thrilled by some of the people who DO follow me. It&#039;s not so much a numbers game as knowing that people you really respect, who operate somewhere in your industry domain, are interested in what you have to say and vice versa.

So, beyond &quot;Twittersourcing&quot; which does seem to imply a certain volume to get a comprehensive result, even a modest number of followers can be a huge asset, as you say, in a  focused area. I&#039;m really looking forward to seeing these folks in person at the next trade show because as opposed to pre-Twitter, we&#039;ve really built up the relationship virtually in between the in-person events. That should make the in-person conversations much more powerful as so much context has arleady been established - all through a certain kind of intimacy that can only be achieved through this kind of daily exchange.

I guess Dennis I do owe you a cold one, the first time I really gave Twitter more than a dismissive thought was during a webcast replay where I heard you talk about your own skepticism about Twitter and how it had been turned around. Perhaps your latest entry will inspire others to give it a second look.

- Jon -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, you make a good point here about the caliber of followers. I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s true in all industries, but certainly in the SAP world some pretty interesting people are on Twitter. I&#8217;m pretty thrilled by some of the people who DO follow me. It&#8217;s not so much a numbers game as knowing that people you really respect, who operate somewhere in your industry domain, are interested in what you have to say and vice versa.</p>
<p>So, beyond &#8220;Twittersourcing&#8221; which does seem to imply a certain volume to get a comprehensive result, even a modest number of followers can be a huge asset, as you say, in a  focused area. I&#8217;m really looking forward to seeing these folks in person at the next trade show because as opposed to pre-Twitter, we&#8217;ve really built up the relationship virtually in between the in-person events. That should make the in-person conversations much more powerful as so much context has arleady been established &#8211; all through a certain kind of intimacy that can only be achieved through this kind of daily exchange.</p>
<p>I guess Dennis I do owe you a cold one, the first time I really gave Twitter more than a dismissive thought was during a webcast replay where I heard you talk about your own skepticism about Twitter and how it had been turned around. Perhaps your latest entry will inspire others to give it a second look.</p>
<p>- Jon -</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/16/getting-help-growing-networks-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5435</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@richard - you&#039;ve been running way too comfortable for a while (lol) - BTW: check out my post re: IFRS, I am starting to hook up with blogger/Twitter CPAs in the US via Twitter. It&#039;s interesting stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@richard &#8211; you&#039;ve been running way too comfortable for a while (lol) &#8211; BTW: check out my post re: IFRS, I am starting to hook up with blogger/Twitter CPAs in the US via Twitter. It&#039;s interesting stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/16/getting-help-growing-networks-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5434</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel myself being dragged into a space I really don&#039;t intend to visit.....

But you&#039;ve done that to me before Dennis

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel myself being dragged into a space I really don&#8217;t intend to visit&#8230;..</p>
<p>But you&#8217;ve done that to me before Dennis</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/16/getting-help-growing-networks-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5433</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@phil - I think I&#039;ll skip the &#039;kiss my ass&#039; bit but you are broadly correct. I spend a lot of time experimenting with tools and what I&#039;m describing are 2 relatively simple use cases that deliver measurable and demonstrable value. I don&#039;t believe I will have any difficulty in persuading finance types of the outweighed merit of these, let alone others that I find along the way.

With ESME, we have built 2 specific use cases and are working on others. That&#039;s really the only way to help managements understand the value proposition. But  I would locate that in the idea that work can be fun. In that I see huge rewards. Check Euan Semple when he talks about making people&#039;s lives better. He advises some really large organizations.

If you can come up with a use case then we can certainly talk about how that gets articulated. As you might imagine, we have a lot to think about going forward, especially as we&#039;re trying to ensure ESME is located in the notion of business process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@phil &#8211; I think I&#039;ll skip the &#039;kiss my ass&#039; bit but you are broadly correct. I spend a lot of time experimenting with tools and what I&#039;m describing are 2 relatively simple use cases that deliver measurable and demonstrable value. I don&#039;t believe I will have any difficulty in persuading finance types of the outweighed merit of these, let alone others that I find along the way.</p>
<p>With ESME, we have built 2 specific use cases and are working on others. That&#039;s really the only way to help managements understand the value proposition. But  I would locate that in the idea that work can be fun. In that I see huge rewards. Check Euan Semple when he talks about making people&#039;s lives better. He advises some really large organizations.</p>
<p>If you can come up with a use case then we can certainly talk about how that gets articulated. As you might imagine, we have a lot to think about going forward, especially as we&#039;re trying to ensure ESME is located in the notion of business process.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Baumann</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/16/getting-help-growing-networks-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5432</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Baumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely believe that enterprises can benefit enormously from (properly, intelligently) incorporating microblogging into their collaborating, networking, crowd-sourcing needs.

I don&#039;t know if the underlying implications of a service like Twitter (and the ever-growing Search pool) have yet been plumbed and fully realized. Traditional search (text on servers) and Search.Twitter (direct human input &amp; exchange) produce vastly different results. Twitter is opening a new door to an old house.

We have gotten so accustomed to the traditional portal to the web (browsers and search engines that algorithmically crawl text on servers) that we&#039;ve sort of forgotten that &quot;brain search&quot; is where it&#039;s been all along. Twitter (with a 140 character limit and a simple tiny url) provides the server-bypassing mechanics needed for brain-to-brain connection and search.

Twitter changes the game I think. Enterprises tend to look at Twitter and see frivolity (Twitter is frivolous, and therein lies its infectivity). If enterprises understood the vast and almost hidden implications of the simple mechanics of Twitter, I think it wouldn&#039;t be long before they would see the value.

A lot of the Kool Aide crowd who touts Twitter and other Social Media don&#039;t understand the deeper and larger problems facing enterprises. They tend to ridicule the &quot;suits&quot; who &quot;obsess over that ROI thingy&quot; and pen endless ramblings that seek to explain it away as if we&#039;re all complete morons. This crowd is probably compounding the confusion that the &quot;suites&quot; might be having. (I don&#039;t blame them in a way.)

I&#039;ll kiss your ass Dennis and say that it&#039;s good to have someone with your experience to &quot;get Twitter&quot; (a condescension btw) - not in a faddish and trial sense, but in the potential you outlined in your post (although I&#039;m sure many of your followers enjoy the occasional splurge of sardonic humor among your tweets).

&#039;Social Media&#039; needs to grow up. Enterprise, if it uses its brain well, may be the agent for needed change.

BTW: Are you aware of any Health Care suits interested in something like ESME? There&#039;s a HUGE opportunity for such clients in that industry. Huge. Just a thought.

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely believe that enterprises can benefit enormously from (properly, intelligently) incorporating microblogging into their collaborating, networking, crowd-sourcing needs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the underlying implications of a service like Twitter (and the ever-growing Search pool) have yet been plumbed and fully realized. Traditional search (text on servers) and Search.Twitter (direct human input &amp; exchange) produce vastly different results. Twitter is opening a new door to an old house.</p>
<p>We have gotten so accustomed to the traditional portal to the web (browsers and search engines that algorithmically crawl text on servers) that we&#8217;ve sort of forgotten that &#8220;brain search&#8221; is where it&#8217;s been all along. Twitter (with a 140 character limit and a simple tiny url) provides the server-bypassing mechanics needed for brain-to-brain connection and search.</p>
<p>Twitter changes the game I think. Enterprises tend to look at Twitter and see frivolity (Twitter is frivolous, and therein lies its infectivity). If enterprises understood the vast and almost hidden implications of the simple mechanics of Twitter, I think it wouldn&#8217;t be long before they would see the value.</p>
<p>A lot of the Kool Aide crowd who touts Twitter and other Social Media don&#8217;t understand the deeper and larger problems facing enterprises. They tend to ridicule the &#8220;suits&#8221; who &#8220;obsess over that ROI thingy&#8221; and pen endless ramblings that seek to explain it away as if we&#8217;re all complete morons. This crowd is probably compounding the confusion that the &#8220;suites&#8221; might be having. (I don&#8217;t blame them in a way.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll kiss your ass Dennis and say that it&#8217;s good to have someone with your experience to &#8220;get Twitter&#8221; (a condescension btw) &#8211; not in a faddish and trial sense, but in the potential you outlined in your post (although I&#8217;m sure many of your followers enjoy the occasional splurge of sardonic humor among your tweets).</p>
<p>&#8216;Social Media&#8217; needs to grow up. Enterprise, if it uses its brain well, may be the agent for needed change.</p>
<p>BTW: Are you aware of any Health Care suits interested in something like ESME? There&#8217;s a HUGE opportunity for such clients in that industry. Huge. Just a thought.</p>
<p>Phil</p>
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		<title>By: Francine McKenna</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/16/getting-help-growing-networks-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5431</link>
		<dc:creator>Francine McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small world.  I had just got off the phone with Jon Reed when I got your DM to point me to this post.  Of course, I met Jon on Twitter. I can&#039;t remember how.  But  a girl like me might have never run into him otherwise.  Our circles overlap only on the edges. But we quickly knew we would have common ground to explore, including how to help each other.  I am eternally grateful to you, Dennis, for many things and launching my &quot;Twitterhood&quot; is only one of them.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small world.  I had just got off the phone with Jon Reed when I got your DM to point me to this post.  Of course, I met Jon on Twitter. I can&#039;t remember how.  But  a girl like me might have never run into him otherwise.  Our circles overlap only on the edges. But we quickly knew we would have common ground to explore, including how to help each other.  I am eternally grateful to you, Dennis, for many things and launching my &quot;Twitterhood&quot; is only one of them.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/16/getting-help-growing-networks-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5430</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you know Francine McKenna - I turned her on to this about 4-5 months ago and she hasn&#039;t looked back.

Since we operate in tightly defined niches, we will not necessarily garner large numbers but I do believe that we&#039;ll attract the most &#039;edge&#039; types - ie the most advanced thinkers. That of itself is a massive advantage over others trying to do the same thing by other means. IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you know Francine McKenna &#8211; I turned her on to this about 4-5 months ago and she hasn&#8217;t looked back.</p>
<p>Since we operate in tightly defined niches, we will not necessarily garner large numbers but I do believe that we&#8217;ll attract the most &#8216;edge&#8217; types &#8211; ie the most advanced thinkers. That of itself is a massive advantage over others trying to do the same thing by other means. IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Reed</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/16/getting-help-growing-networks-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5429</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis, you nailed this one. So-called crowdsourcing has got to be a key aspect of Twitter&#039;s business value. I&#039;m pretty new to Twitter and have a modest 225 followers, yet in the last month, I have sourced several questions of some importance to me in the SAP space: SAP upgrades, SAP and social media, and SAP and consulting best practices, and received a handful of very credible responses. Again, above the 1 percent response rate, and immediately applied to either obtain clients or insert into paid deliverables for existing clients - not to mention give me more of an authentic, street level view of the SAP marketplace, something you cannot put a price on if you care about being real. Certainly not enough followers for comprehensive responses, but I can only dream of how powerful this aspect of Twitter alone will be for me if my followers continue to grow.

- Jon -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, you nailed this one. So-called crowdsourcing has got to be a key aspect of Twitter&#8217;s business value. I&#8217;m pretty new to Twitter and have a modest 225 followers, yet in the last month, I have sourced several questions of some importance to me in the SAP space: SAP upgrades, SAP and social media, and SAP and consulting best practices, and received a handful of very credible responses. Again, above the 1 percent response rate, and immediately applied to either obtain clients or insert into paid deliverables for existing clients &#8211; not to mention give me more of an authentic, street level view of the SAP marketplace, something you cannot put a price on if you care about being real. Certainly not enough followers for comprehensive responses, but I can only dream of how powerful this aspect of Twitter alone will be for me if my followers continue to grow.</p>
<p>- Jon -</p>
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