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> <channel><title>Comments on: Who knows, who cares?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/31/who-knows-who-cares/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/31/who-knows-who-cares/</link> <description>never knowingly under opinionated</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:11:57 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: alastair</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/31/who-knows-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-311269</link> <dc:creator>alastair</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:34:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=3795#comment-311269</guid> <description>You might argue that programming a computer is equally complex.  In fact it is not if you are expert in it, and surely that is the point.  Tax planners, computer programmers, quantum physicists, etc, are skilled at what they do - they gain an income from exploiting that skill, because there are people willing to pay them for it.Is it possible to explain the essence of such complex things clearly - why yes of course it is - and that is a skill that some are able to exploit to make a living from.The guardian tesco thing seemed to be more about the demonisation of tax avoidance and tax planning that Gordon and his mob are trying to engineer - tesco was simply trying to manage the political risk.  the guardian was hoist by its own hypocracy - quite right to. I don&#039;t buy that the guardian did not have the expertise - sounds like no more than a rather pathetic excuse.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might argue that programming a computer is equally complex.  In fact it is not if you are expert in it, and surely that is the point.  Tax planners, computer programmers, quantum physicists, etc, are skilled at what they do &#8211; they gain an income from exploiting that skill, because there are people willing to pay them for it.</p><p>Is it possible to explain the essence of such complex things clearly &#8211; why yes of course it is &#8211; and that is a skill that some are able to exploit to make a living from.</p><p>The guardian tesco thing seemed to be more about the demonisation of tax avoidance and tax planning that Gordon and his mob are trying to engineer &#8211; tesco was simply trying to manage the political risk.  the guardian was hoist by its own hypocracy &#8211; quite right to. I don&#8217;t buy that the guardian did not have the expertise &#8211; sounds like no more than a rather pathetic excuse.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Lee</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/31/who-knows-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-307300</link> <dc:creator>Mark Lee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:28:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=3795#comment-307300</guid> <description>Alan says &quot;advanced tax planning undertaken today by most global companies is as intelligible to the average person as particle physics.&quot;In fact most tax planning schemes are equally hard to follow.  This includes those punted at owner managers, company directors, property developers and everyone else keen to reduce their liability to IHT, NICs, CGT and SDLT.    As a result the promoters of such schemes will often tap into the taxpayer&#039;s greed and suggest that their accountant is &#039;only&#039; a general practitioner and &#039;this is all a bit beyond what they&#039;re used to really&#039;.  They suggest that accountants who don&#039;t follow them should simply trust the promoters. Occasionally the lure of a healthy commission takes over.....As I have pointed out elsewhere this is a dangerous route for any accountant to follow.  Many prefer to either:
a) only work with genuinely independent and objective tax specialists; or
b) NOT get involved in promoting abusive avoidance schemes to their clients.Either approach is justifiable.  The professional bodies discourage their members from advising on matters that are outside of their comfort zones. Contrary to the impression given by some promoters, an accountant will never be found negligent for failing to tell clients about the availability of sophisticated schemes he doesn&#039;t understand. And there is no obligation on him to devote time and effort trying to work them out either.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan says &#8220;advanced tax planning undertaken today by most global companies is as intelligible to the average person as particle physics.&#8221;</p><p>In fact most tax planning schemes are equally hard to follow.  This includes those punted at owner managers, company directors, property developers and everyone else keen to reduce their liability to IHT, NICs, CGT and SDLT.    As a result the promoters of such schemes will often tap into the taxpayer&#8217;s greed and suggest that their accountant is &#8216;only&#8217; a general practitioner and &#8216;this is all a bit beyond what they&#8217;re used to really&#8217;.  They suggest that accountants who don&#8217;t follow them should simply trust the promoters. Occasionally the lure of a healthy commission takes over&#8230;..</p><p>As I have pointed out elsewhere this is a dangerous route for any accountant to follow.  Many prefer to either:<br
/> a) only work with genuinely independent and objective tax specialists; or<br
/> b) NOT get involved in promoting abusive avoidance schemes to their clients.</p><p>Either approach is justifiable.  The professional bodies discourage their members from advising on matters that are outside of their comfort zones. Contrary to the impression given by some promoters, an accountant will never be found negligent for failing to tell clients about the availability of sophisticated schemes he doesn&#8217;t understand. And there is no obligation on him to devote time and effort trying to work them out either.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Krupo</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/31/who-knows-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-307219</link> <dc:creator>Krupo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:54:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=3795#comment-307219</guid> <description>Funny timing - back on my side of the pond the Toronto Star has this letter from the publisher - on page 1 - talking about their commitment to more investigative journalism and all the other good stuff you&#039;re calling for: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/560544Interestingly enough, the Star is run according to the wishes of its founder&#039;s will... details nicely summarized here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Star#Atkinson_Principles</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny timing &#8211; back on my side of the pond the Toronto Star has this letter from the publisher &#8211; on page 1 &#8211; talking about their commitment to more investigative journalism and all the other good stuff you&#8217;re calling for: <a
href="http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/560544" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/560544</a></p><p>Interestingly enough, the Star is run according to the wishes of its founder&#8217;s will&#8230; details nicely summarized here: <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Star#Atkinson_Principles" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Star#Atkinson_Principles</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A transparent 2009? &#124; called2account</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/31/who-knows-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-307057</link> <dc:creator>A transparent 2009? &#124; called2account</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:00:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=3795#comment-307057</guid> <description>[...] Howlett, who was the man who got me into blogging, has a thoughtful posting on his AccMan blog this morning. Reflecting on Alan Rusbridger&#8217;s essay on the problems of [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Howlett, who was the man who got me into blogging, has a thoughtful posting on his AccMan blog this morning. Reflecting on Alan Rusbridger&#8217;s essay on the problems of [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tim Worstall</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/31/who-knows-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-306811</link> <dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:56:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=3795#comment-306811</guid> <description>&quot;@richardbg @tim: what have your comments got to do with the essence of Rusbridger’s essay? Have you people got any clue about the importance of the topic? Is it your best to throw brickbats at the messenger who admits to difficulty in understanding the problems of reporting? Shame on you.&quot;The essence? That Rusbridger and his journalists did an appalling job on that story. When I blogged it when it came out I had comments within the hour telling me that they&#039;d ballsed it up. It really isn&#039;t that the story was that complicated. It was those reporting it didn&#039;t have the first clue.The importance of the topic? I make my living (or at least a decent chunk of it) writing about economics, taxes and the rest of it. Sure I know how important it is. Which is precisely why I&#039;d like to see people doing it rather better. A few pieces I&#039;d like to see in, say, The Guardian. What is tax incidence and what is the incidence of corporation tax? Why are we making people who earn minimum wage pay income tax? Richard Murphy&#039;s missing billions and the tax gap. Why aren&#039;t people prepared to point out his logical error? That a difference between headline rate and effective rate does not mean either avoidance or evasion: it can (and certainly does in part) mean that people are using the allowances that Parliament has expressly created for them to use.Picture this. What would one of your actions be if you were working for a large media organisation researching a tax story? One of mine would be to go to that media organisations internal tax accountants and ask, &quot;Err, have I got this right?&quot;. As an editor I&#039;d certainly ask the in house boffins to look it over. Neither happened. This isn&#039;t &quot;problems of reporting&quot; this is &quot;problems with reporters and editors.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;@richardbg @tim: what have your comments got to do with the essence of Rusbridger’s essay? Have you people got any clue about the importance of the topic? Is it your best to throw brickbats at the messenger who admits to difficulty in understanding the problems of reporting? Shame on you.&#8221;</p><p>The essence? That Rusbridger and his journalists did an appalling job on that story. When I blogged it when it came out I had comments within the hour telling me that they&#8217;d ballsed it up. It really isn&#8217;t that the story was that complicated. It was those reporting it didn&#8217;t have the first clue.</p><p>The importance of the topic? I make my living (or at least a decent chunk of it) writing about economics, taxes and the rest of it. Sure I know how important it is. Which is precisely why I&#8217;d like to see people doing it rather better. A few pieces I&#8217;d like to see in, say, The Guardian. What is tax incidence and what is the incidence of corporation tax? Why are we making people who earn minimum wage pay income tax? Richard Murphy&#8217;s missing billions and the tax gap. Why aren&#8217;t people prepared to point out his logical error? That a difference between headline rate and effective rate does not mean either avoidance or evasion: it can (and certainly does in part) mean that people are using the allowances that Parliament has expressly created for them to use.</p><p>Picture this. What would one of your actions be if you were working for a large media organisation researching a tax story? One of mine would be to go to that media organisations internal tax accountants and ask, &#8220;Err, have I got this right?&#8221;. As an editor I&#8217;d certainly ask the in house boffins to look it over. Neither happened. This isn&#8217;t &#8220;problems of reporting&#8221; this is &#8220;problems with reporters and editors.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dennnis Howlett</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2008/12/31/who-knows-who-cares/comment-page-1/#comment-306807</link> <dc:creator>Dennnis Howlett</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:04:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=3795#comment-306807</guid> <description>@emily: interesting though that idea may be, there is no evidence to suggest what you&#039;re saying is true. Back in the day (as they say) I had a client who told me that if tax was 1/2% he&#039;d still want to avoid it. And we did. He was a devout Catholic who tithed.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@emily: interesting though that idea may be, there is no evidence to suggest what you&#8217;re saying is true. Back in the day (as they say) I had a client who told me that if tax was 1/2% he&#8217;d still want to avoid it. And we did. He was a devout Catholic who tithed.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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