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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worstall? &quot;Pundit&quot;? &quot;the powers that Worstall represents&quot;?

I&#039;m afraid you&#039;ve rather misunderstood matters. I am simply me. Tim Worstall. When I write upon my own blog I am just that, just me saying what I think about this and that. I have no pretensions to being a &quot;pundit&quot; nor do I &quot;represent&quot; any powers.

Now it is true that I write at a number of other places as well (for example, I share the pages of Comment is Free with Richard, Prem and so on occassionally) and I do indeed get paid for such writing: as I&#039;m sure Richard, Prem and so on do.

I would also note that my disagreements with Richard centre not on audit matters but on economic matters. Specifically, Richard&#039;s very odd (to put it mildly) assumptions about what economics is, what it can be useful for and why we shouldn&#039;t simply reject the mainstream views.

However, there is one crime which I really cannot fogive him for. He accused me of being a chartered accountant. Really, that is below the belt. ( &quot;rank hypocrisy&quot; &quot;anti-social&quot; &quot;thugs and bullies like Worstall&quot; &quot;doublespeak&quot; I take as mere love bites by comparison).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worstall? &#8220;Pundit&#8221;? &#8220;the powers that Worstall represents&#8221;?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;ve rather misunderstood matters. I am simply me. Tim Worstall. When I write upon my own blog I am just that, just me saying what I think about this and that. I have no pretensions to being a &#8220;pundit&#8221; nor do I &#8220;represent&#8221; any powers.</p>
<p>Now it is true that I write at a number of other places as well (for example, I share the pages of Comment is Free with Richard, Prem and so on occassionally) and I do indeed get paid for such writing: as I&#8217;m sure Richard, Prem and so on do.</p>
<p>I would also note that my disagreements with Richard centre not on audit matters but on economic matters. Specifically, Richard&#8217;s very odd (to put it mildly) assumptions about what economics is, what it can be useful for and why we shouldn&#8217;t simply reject the mainstream views.</p>
<p>However, there is one crime which I really cannot fogive him for. He accused me of being a chartered accountant. Really, that is below the belt. ( &#8220;rank hypocrisy&#8221; &#8220;anti-social&#8221; &#8220;thugs and bullies like Worstall&#8221; &#8220;doublespeak&#8221; I take as mere love bites by comparison).</p>
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		<title>By: Francine McKenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dennis,

Thanks for the links and the attention on the Securities Law wrap-up yesterday.

I was sorry to see Richard coming under attack also in a strange blog called Dennis The Peasant.  Richard, It&#039;s better to be talked about then not talked about at all.  No worries, mate.

I heard someone say on a program yesterday that Madoff is changing the attitude towards Wall Street much more dramatically than all the crisis and failure news before it for one reason - real, regular people are losing their life savings.  It&#039;s one thing for the banks and other institutions to go bankrupt or to lose value.  That impact is dispersed in the general population.  But when a very vocal and very connected constituency such as the Jewish community is victimized, you&#039;re going to hear about it.  And there are any number of individuals, not necessarily working class but not the all super rich, and many worthy institutions that have been wiped out by Madoff.  The message is finally hitting home with the average guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dennis,</p>
<p>Thanks for the links and the attention on the Securities Law wrap-up yesterday.</p>
<p>I was sorry to see Richard coming under attack also in a strange blog called Dennis The Peasant.  Richard, It&#8217;s better to be talked about then not talked about at all.  No worries, mate.</p>
<p>I heard someone say on a program yesterday that Madoff is changing the attitude towards Wall Street much more dramatically than all the crisis and failure news before it for one reason &#8211; real, regular people are losing their life savings.  It&#8217;s one thing for the banks and other institutions to go bankrupt or to lose value.  That impact is dispersed in the general population.  But when a very vocal and very connected constituency such as the Jewish community is victimized, you&#8217;re going to hear about it.  And there are any number of individuals, not necessarily working class but not the all super rich, and many worthy institutions that have been wiped out by Madoff.  The message is finally hitting home with the average guy.</p>
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		<title>By: alastair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>multiple debates, which itself clouds the point.  I think if you were more up front about your agenda and more willing to accept that there are other equally valid viewpoints not sold out to the Devil then you would progress your agenda much more effectively.

You have had back a lot more than insults.  Language is a powerful weapon, and it is important to ignore the insults for what they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>multiple debates, which itself clouds the point.  I think if you were more up front about your agenda and more willing to accept that there are other equally valid viewpoints not sold out to the Devil then you would progress your agenda much more effectively.</p>
<p>You have had back a lot more than insults.  Language is a powerful weapon, and it is important to ignore the insults for what they are.</p>
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		<title>By: alastair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, I also think that Tim is not being abusive  - he is trying to engage you in an argument about economics.  He posts his arguments on his own blog as well.  It is (some of) his commenters that are abusive.

I would suggest that it is you throwing &quot;toys out of the pram&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I also think that Tim is not being abusive  &#8211; he is trying to engage you in an argument about economics.  He posts his arguments on his own blog as well.  It is (some of) his commenters that are abusive.</p>
<p>I would suggest that it is you throwing &#8220;toys out of the pram&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alastair

If the swearing gets in the way of the point a) it&#039;s counter productive b) the point must be obtuse

And yes Dennis is right - I suspect my own annoyance reduces the quality of my arguments

But let&#039;s be unambiguous: we&#039;re trying to present arguments. Isn&#039;t that more use than hurling insults, which is all I&#039;ve got back, and why I&#039;ve effectively disengaged

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Richard Murphy&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alastair</p>
<p>If the swearing gets in the way of the point a) it&#8217;s counter productive b) the point must be obtuse</p>
<p>And yes Dennis is right &#8211; I suspect my own annoyance reduces the quality of my arguments</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s be unambiguous: we&#8217;re trying to present arguments. Isn&#8217;t that more use than hurling insults, which is all I&#8217;ve got back, and why I&#8217;ve effectively disengaged</p>
<p><a href="http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/blog/" rel="nofollow">Richard Murphy</a></p>
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		<title>By: alastair</title>
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		<dc:creator>alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis, you have missed the point.  It might help if you don&#039;t get distracted by the swearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, you have missed the point.  It might help if you don&#8217;t get distracted by the swearing.</p>
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