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	<title>Comments on: OAccounts &#8211; is it feasible?</title>
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		<title>By: Anoowa Corporate Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Standards arent the answer for Small Business Data Portability</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anoowa Corporate Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Standards arent the answer for Small Business Data Portability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric E. Cohen</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/03/16/oaccounts-is-it-feasible/comment-page-1/#comment-6007</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric E. Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, &quot;Fixed Asset Software&quot;, I&#039;m with you - I think that many companies have yet to take advantage of good Fixed Assets software. However, the ability to interchange data between those products - whatever the developer - and the tax preparer, auditor, SaaS provider and other parties who may not use the same software is important, and what this conversation has really been focusing on.

Many, many moons ago, I was a reseller of  Operator 10 software (now found at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allmaxsoftware.com/),&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.allmaxsoftware.com/),&lt;/a&gt; which was for tracking maintenance of assets (e.g., that boiler at the Slough facility might not have exploded if we remembered to maintain it now and then!)

Wouldn&#039;t it be great if Fixed Assets packages talked to maintenance systems? Or if any Fixed Asset system could interchange data at any desired level of detail with other systems, such as:
- Purchasing and payable systems automatically updating Fixed Assets
- Fixed Assets usage tied in with planning (capacity requirements planning), costing (job costing), etc.
- Maintenance also tying in with FA, PO and Payables
- and of course, general ledger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, &quot;Fixed Asset Software&quot;, I&#039;m with you &#8211; I think that many companies have yet to take advantage of good Fixed Assets software. However, the ability to interchange data between those products &#8211; whatever the developer &#8211; and the tax preparer, auditor, SaaS provider and other parties who may not use the same software is important, and what this conversation has really been focusing on.</p>
<p>Many, many moons ago, I was a reseller of  Operator 10 software (now found at <a href="http://www.allmaxsoftware.com/)," rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.allmaxsoftware.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.allmaxsoftware.com/</a>), which was for tracking maintenance of assets (e.g., that boiler at the Slough facility might not have exploded if we remembered to maintain it now and then!)</p>
<p>Wouldn&#039;t it be great if Fixed Assets packages talked to maintenance systems? Or if any Fixed Asset system could interchange data at any desired level of detail with other systems, such as:<br />
- Purchasing and payable systems automatically updating Fixed Assets<br />
- Fixed Assets usage tied in with planning (capacity requirements planning), costing (job costing), etc.<br />
- Maintenance also tying in with FA, PO and Payables<br />
- and of course, general ledger</p>
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		<title>By: Fixed Asset Software</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/03/16/oaccounts-is-it-feasible/comment-page-1/#comment-6006</link>
		<dc:creator>Fixed Asset Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Companies benefit from fixed asset software because their fixed asset management process becomes more automated and complete. Follow up inventories and associated reconciliations are more efficient when using state-of-the-art barcode technology in conjunction with fixed asset software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Companies benefit from fixed asset software because their fixed asset management process becomes more automated and complete. Follow up inventories and associated reconciliations are more efficient when using state-of-the-art barcode technology in conjunction with fixed asset software.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Kleppmann</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/03/16/oaccounts-is-it-feasible/comment-page-1/#comment-6005</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Kleppmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; has thought been given to the scalability of hub and spoke systems of the kind that Martin is proposing?

It is something I am definitely keeping in mind. My intension of the hub and spoke diagram is really to indicate how OAccounts could be a &#039;lingua franca&#039; between all these different systems. OAccounts in that sense is just a protocol via which you communicate with another node, whereby that other node could be a hub, or a spoke, or a node in some decentralised system; it is not the protocol&#039;s job to specify a particular implementation architecture. To use Eric&#039;s wording, yes, it is a &quot;metadata standard&quot;.

That said, I am hoping to also produce an open source reference implementation, which will of course make many more architectural decisions (while leaving the possibility for other developers to write their own if they have different requirements). Curiously, it happens that I have started doing this in Scala! (Scala is the best language I could find for XML processing. Not using Lift yet, but I&#039;ll have a look to see whether it would add value here.)

One aspect which is quite important to me is to keep a version history of all changes to the accounts; very useful for audit trails, reconstructing past events in case of investigation etc. The reference implementation will probably use the distributed version control system Git for this purpose. It offers a lot of advantages, although of course for some purposes it might me more suitable to use standard database storage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; has thought been given to the scalability of hub and spoke systems of the kind that Martin is proposing?</p>
<p>It is something I am definitely keeping in mind. My intension of the hub and spoke diagram is really to indicate how OAccounts could be a &#039;lingua franca&#039; between all these different systems. OAccounts in that sense is just a protocol via which you communicate with another node, whereby that other node could be a hub, or a spoke, or a node in some decentralised system; it is not the protocol&#039;s job to specify a particular implementation architecture. To use Eric&#039;s wording, yes, it is a &quot;metadata standard&quot;.</p>
<p>That said, I am hoping to also produce an open source reference implementation, which will of course make many more architectural decisions (while leaving the possibility for other developers to write their own if they have different requirements). Curiously, it happens that I have started doing this in Scala! (Scala is the best language I could find for XML processing. Not using Lift yet, but I&#039;ll have a look to see whether it would add value here.)</p>
<p>One aspect which is quite important to me is to keep a version history of all changes to the accounts; very useful for audit trails, reconstructing past events in case of investigation etc. The reference implementation will probably use the distributed version control system Git for this purpose. It offers a lot of advantages, although of course for some purposes it might me more suitable to use standard database storage.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric E. Cohen</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/03/16/oaccounts-is-it-feasible/comment-page-1/#comment-6004</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric E. Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your question is interesting, and draws our attention to what is being proposed in the hub and spokes. Are we talking about a metadata hub (where data going in to and out from any system is transformed by a common intermediary format) - or an architectural issue?

The hope, of course, is that metadata standards free you up to choose an architecture - or multiple architectural approaches - that makes the most sense and the agility to easily change between architectures. Send the data, leave the data in place and link to it, use a data warehouse or not.

So I read _virtual_ hub and spokes (overcoming the n-squared problem through a common mapping, requiring 2n maps instead of n*(n-1)/2 for one way proprietary mappings), not architectural; glad for Martin to clarify!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your question is interesting, and draws our attention to what is being proposed in the hub and spokes. Are we talking about a metadata hub (where data going in to and out from any system is transformed by a common intermediary format) &#8211; or an architectural issue?</p>
<p>The hope, of course, is that metadata standards free you up to choose an architecture &#8211; or multiple architectural approaches &#8211; that makes the most sense and the agility to easily change between architectures. Send the data, leave the data in place and link to it, use a data warehouse or not.</p>
<p>So I read _virtual_ hub and spokes (overcoming the n-squared problem through a common mapping, requiring 2n maps instead of n*(n-1)/2 for one way proprietary mappings), not architectural; glad for Martin to clarify!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/03/16/oaccounts-is-it-feasible/comment-page-1/#comment-6003</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point I&#039;d like to raise: has thought been given to the scalability of hub and spoke systems of the kind that Martin is proposing? I&quot;m not convinced they can massively scale in highly distributed environments. Doesn&#039;t P2P work better in that regard? I may be talking a bit beyond the limits of my technical knowledge but if you are going to architect something along these lines then it would be a pity to run into the kinds of problem that services like Twitter faced and which have had to be re-engineered.

Can I direct you to SCALA/Lift as a possible open source messaging platform? David Pollak is the lead developer - it is open source and it is massively scalable. The reason I know is because it was used in our ESME project which is now part of the Apache incubator. We had to demonstrate scale as we were piloting on SAP/NetWeaver. David is a super cool guy and really knows about scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point I&#039;d like to raise: has thought been given to the scalability of hub and spoke systems of the kind that Martin is proposing? I&quot;m not convinced they can massively scale in highly distributed environments. Doesn&#039;t P2P work better in that regard? I may be talking a bit beyond the limits of my technical knowledge but if you are going to architect something along these lines then it would be a pity to run into the kinds of problem that services like Twitter faced and which have had to be re-engineered.</p>
<p>Can I direct you to SCALA/Lift as a possible open source messaging platform? David Pollak is the lead developer &#8211; it is open source and it is massively scalable. The reason I know is because it was used in our ESME project which is now part of the Apache incubator. We had to demonstrate scale as we were piloting on SAP/NetWeaver. David is a super cool guy and really knows about scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric E. Cohen</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/03/16/oaccounts-is-it-feasible/comment-page-1/#comment-6002</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric E. Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really appreciate the privacy policy! I have been in touch with Adam off-line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really appreciate the privacy policy! I have been in touch with Adam off-line.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam McCrory</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/03/16/oaccounts-is-it-feasible/comment-page-1/#comment-6001</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam McCrory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dennis - Thanks for the offer - we&#039;ve managed to find each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dennis &#8211; Thanks for the offer &#8211; we&#039;ve managed to find each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/03/16/oaccounts-is-it-feasible/comment-page-1/#comment-6000</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@adam - I&#039;m not sure - but if you&#039;re referring to Eric&#039;s responses then I am happy to broker the exchange of email addresses but my privacy policy does not permit me to do that without Eric&#039;s position. If you can clarify that than I can do the permission thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@adam &#8211; I&#039;m not sure &#8211; but if you&#039;re referring to Eric&#039;s responses then I am happy to broker the exchange of email addresses but my privacy policy does not permit me to do that without Eric&#039;s position. If you can clarify that than I can do the permission thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam McCrory</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/03/16/oaccounts-is-it-feasible/comment-page-1/#comment-5999</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam McCrory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The XSD isnt public domain or CC, I can send it over to you if you let me know where to send it - definitely would be worthwhile us discussing things in more depth. If you just drop me an email
Adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The XSD isnt public domain or CC, I can send it over to you if you let me know where to send it &#8211; definitely would be worthwhile us discussing things in more depth. If you just drop me an email<br />
Adam</p>
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