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	<title>Comments on: Saas accounting not growing &#8211; utter nonsense</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Messik</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/04/16/saas-accounting-not-growing-utter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-6163</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Messik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is quite clear that SaaS (please find a new acronym!) is growing in popularity and, as I have said previously, it is exciting to see so many new players coming into the marketplace. There is little doubt in my mind that it will reach critical mass before too long.

I think the established playeyrs are beginning to run a bit scared as an SaaS model could affect their licence fee model - although it is interesting to see that CODA have gone for an SaaS alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite clear that SaaS (please find a new acronym!) is growing in popularity and, as I have said previously, it is exciting to see so many new players coming into the marketplace. There is little doubt in my mind that it will reach critical mass before too long.</p>
<p>I think the established playeyrs are beginning to run a bit scared as an SaaS model could affect their licence fee model &#8211; although it is interesting to see that CODA have gone for an SaaS alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised - the Force.com EMEA partner guy said to me: &quot;I have the best job in the world - ISV&#039;s falling over themselves to partner&quot; - good leading indicator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not surprised &#8211; the Force.com EMEA partner guy said to me: &quot;I have the best job in the world &#8211; ISV&#039;s falling over themselves to partner&quot; &#8211; good leading indicator</p>
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		<title>By: David Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No-one was more surprised than me to be branded an &#039;industry expert&#039;, Dennis! I&#039;ve been in this sector a long time, of course... but as you say, I am an &#039;insider&#039;. it did make me smile though...

Clearly with CODA 2go we&#039;re just gaining momentum, but if you saw how mobbed we were at Cloudforce the other week, after the launch announcement on stage, you&#039;d conclude that interest in Cloud Accounting is massive.

Which is not the same as sales, I grant you...  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No-one was more surprised than me to be branded an &#039;industry expert&#039;, Dennis! I&#039;ve been in this sector a long time, of course&#8230; but as you say, I am an &#039;insider&#039;. it did make me smile though&#8230;</p>
<p>Clearly with CODA 2go we&#039;re just gaining momentum, but if you saw how mobbed we were at Cloudforce the other week, after the launch announcement on stage, you&#039;d conclude that interest in Cloud Accounting is massive.</p>
<p>Which is not the same as sales, I grant you&#8230;  <img src='http://www.accmanpro.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/04/16/saas-accounting-not-growing-utter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-6160</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@phil - as I said in my discussion: &quot;Of course there are discussions around the numbers topic and these are perfectly legitimate as real experts grapple with an issue of importance to both buyers and sellers&quot; and yes there is legitimacy in referring to the more recent trends but then I have been seeing consistently accelerating growth for some months - certainly since the late autumn, accentuated by recent year end demand.

Many people predicted 3 years ago it would be &#039;at least&#039; 5 years before saas accounting made any impression in the UK market. While I would not wish to stick my neck out too far, the current indications suggest we&#039;re kinda there.

The investment case is an odd one that depends on segments (which have generally been horizontal so far) and ambition. My sense is that&#039;s for another discussion ;)

As Twinfield&#039;s numbers show, you don&#039;t have to go after hypergrowth to do well enough for your shareholder. Whomever they may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@phil &#8211; as I said in my discussion: &quot;Of course there are discussions around the numbers topic and these are perfectly legitimate as real experts grapple with an issue of importance to both buyers and sellers&quot; and yes there is legitimacy in referring to the more recent trends but then I have been seeing consistently accelerating growth for some months &#8211; certainly since the late autumn, accentuated by recent year end demand.</p>
<p>Many people predicted 3 years ago it would be &#039;at least&#039; 5 years before saas accounting made any impression in the UK market. While I would not wish to stick my neck out too far, the current indications suggest we&#039;re kinda there.</p>
<p>The investment case is an odd one that depends on segments (which have generally been horizontal so far) and ambition. My sense is that&#039;s for another discussion <img src='http://www.accmanpro.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As Twinfield&#039;s numbers show, you don&#039;t have to go after hypergrowth to do well enough for your shareholder. Whomever they may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wainewright</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/04/16/saas-accounting-not-growing-utter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-6159</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Wainewright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Jackson was talking about SaaS at Sage: &quot;I don&#8217;t think that accounting SaaS has gone as well as it should&quot; ... &quot;it probably needs more investment&quot;. Never a truer word :-)

Seriously though we are now - in just the past few months - starting to see the UK market start to take off with vendors like Xero and Kashflow posting tremendous growth numbers (and others in elsewhere Europe, eg e-conomic). So the validity of his comments depends on the time period and the market segments he&#039;s talking about.

It probably is fair to say that SaaS accounting has until recently been slower to take off in the UK than people expected but perhaps that&#039;s because vendors were following the wrong models. You could also argue that SaaS accounting vendors like NetSuite and Intacct in the US have lagged the performance achieved by vendors in other application categories such as Salesforce.com, SuccessFactors, etc. In Intacct&#039;s case you could certainly say that was due to lack of investment because the vendor has caught up a lot of ground in the past 18 months since a change of CEO and new funding.

Overall though to state flat-out that &quot;the industry is not growing as fast as people would have us believe&quot; is flat-out wrong, based on the evidence we&#039;re now seeing in the market - and compared to the numbers conventional software vendors are currently posting, SaaS growth is rocketing, even for accounting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Jackson was talking about SaaS at Sage: &quot;I don&rsquo;t think that accounting SaaS has gone as well as it should&quot; &#8230; &quot;it probably needs more investment&quot;. Never a truer word <img src='http://www.accmanpro.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously though we are now &#8211; in just the past few months &#8211; starting to see the UK market start to take off with vendors like Xero and Kashflow posting tremendous growth numbers (and others in elsewhere Europe, eg e-conomic). So the validity of his comments depends on the time period and the market segments he&#039;s talking about.</p>
<p>It probably is fair to say that SaaS accounting has until recently been slower to take off in the UK than people expected but perhaps that&#039;s because vendors were following the wrong models. You could also argue that SaaS accounting vendors like NetSuite and Intacct in the US have lagged the performance achieved by vendors in other application categories such as Salesforce.com, SuccessFactors, etc. In Intacct&#039;s case you could certainly say that was due to lack of investment because the vendor has caught up a lot of ground in the past 18 months since a change of CEO and new funding.</p>
<p>Overall though to state flat-out that &quot;the industry is not growing as fast as people would have us believe&quot; is flat-out wrong, based on the evidence we&#039;re now seeing in the market &#8211; and compared to the numbers conventional software vendors are currently posting, SaaS growth is rocketing, even for accounting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/04/16/saas-accounting-not-growing-utter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-6158</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ben - has announced intentions - as we both know intentions are not the same thing as ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ben &#8211; has announced intentions &#8211; as we both know intentions are not the same thing as ability.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/04/16/saas-accounting-not-growing-utter-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-6157</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis -  Michael Jackson has invested in the SaaS market - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cloudave.com/link/old-timers-getting-saasy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cloudave.com/link/old-timers-getting-s...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis &#8211;  Michael Jackson has invested in the SaaS market &#8211; <a href="http://www.cloudave.com/link/old-timers-getting-saasy" rel="nofollow">http://www.cloudave.com/link/old-timers-getting-s&#8230;</a></p>
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