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Sage’s CEO fumbles the cloud ball

by Dennis Howlett on April 29, 2009

Sage’s CEO Paul Walker talked to Silicon recently. Despite a number of questions about cloud computing, Mr Walker skirted around many of the issues raised preferring instead to talk up the company’s maintenance revenue stream. From this perch, that’s not a great idea. The opening shot:

…one of the great things about our model is that the support revenues – that are well over of our half of our business – continue to be pretty stable in this economic climate. Obviously selling new licences and new systems is more difficult – although probably arguably not as difficult as if you’re in the very big corporate end where IT spend has been frozen.

Maybe. Reports I see tell me that SMB’s are more than happy to consider alternatives to the incumbent players. Discussions elsewhere tell me that customers are far from happy about the continuing tax that software companies impose on their customers aka maintenance.

Next:

In the back office accounting area, business solutions, we’re seeing very small, slow growth in terms of demand [for cloud computing]. We have a number of products that meet that demand that so far is relatively modest.

Of course Sage sees slow growth. It hasn’t managed to get a credible product to market. And would you blow up your lucrative business model for one that you don’t really understand? Or rather choose not to understand? Sage has had many opportunities to engage with people who do ‘get it’ but so far has presented a ‘tin ear.’ This is a common problem in the software industry where past success is seen as the road for the future, regardless of the surrounding facts. It’s almost as though vendors live in an alternative reality.

…it’s going to be a three- to five-year journey as you move up that curve of more and more people demanding cloud computing. It’s going to happen – particularly from that group of people who’ve lived through the online world with Facebook and what the internet can do for them. We don’t think it’s a revolution, we think it’s going to evolve and there’ll still be many customers in three years time who still want desktop solutions but we’ll have seen a bigger shift to software as a service over that period.

Wrong Paul – that train left the station a couple of years back. Check out what sponsors on this site are doing.  Their marketing resources are a fraction of what Sage blows on petty cash yet they’re all happily feeding at the trough. Better still, check what NetSuite, Salesforce.com and others are doing. Did you notice that Workday just secured $75 million in funding? The market is validating the model faster than Sage can innovate and that’s the problem.

[But] in two or three years time I’d be very surprised if 50 to 60 per cent of our customers were on [cloud-based applications] but it could be more like 15 or 20 per cent which is why we use the word ‘evolve’.

This is a denial of reality. Taking Sage’s own numbers, they’re predicting 500-750,000 of its customers using on-demand offerings. SugarCRM already has north of 500,000 users. Salesforce.com has $1 billion in revenue from 58,000 customers (user count?) Microsoft has gone straight to on-demand for CRM. The CRM market has moved to the internet cloud so unless Sage gets its skates on it will have missed the boat. The accounting market could be different but then Sage’s numerous failed attempts at bringing something credible into this space speaks volumes. One area I will agree: cloud computing isn’t for everyone – or at least on-demand delivered via the public cloud.

Mr Walker then goes on to dilute the argument by saying that customers don’t care about delivery mechanisms but do care about integrating services. While you can technically integrate on-demand with on-premise, it’s a wasted effort because you lose the real time benefits that add value on their own. Sage is not pursuing a viable long term strategy but offers an ample demonstration that Sage is struggling to resolve on-demand to its own business model. This last point gains emphasis in his closing remarks:

The online solutions in those markets are probably the way we’ll try and enter because in a way you can imagine a lot of new businesses starting off in that area are much more likely to want cloud computing than going the traditional desktop route which has been embedded into the European and North American markets

The bottom line is that despite the ‘tin ear’ that Sage exhibits, it knows that in the longer term it is in deep trouble on the cloud/saas/on-demand front. It has made the mistake of failing to understand there are huge markets it cannot reach. It continues to assume that the practitioner will fill the gap or that its continuing with products that were built for another age and constituency will carry the company through. OK – so it has a free online billing service. But that’s not getting the attention a brand like Sage should command.

Worst of all, Mr Walker reveals that Sage’s true masters are not its 5.8 million customers but its financial backers. People are not stupid and when they hear that they naturally think:  “What about me?” The tune needs to change.Brand alone will not suffice once Sage does make a move.

The sadness in all this is that the problems Sage needs to overcome are not that difficult. But…they require a different mindset plus a genuine commitment to investments in the right kinds of technology. The first issue is one that requires a cathartic change in management thinking. The second should naturally follow.

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  • I think it is important to read the guy's words in the context of the questions that were put to him:

    http://software.silicon.com/applications/0,3902...

    Personally, I thought his responses were measured, responsible and very in tune with market reality. If he said he was betting the farm on cloud computing, particularly for back office functionality, I would be extremely worried about the future health of the company.
  • @dale: no-one's asking him to bet the farm but then I didn't exactly see the kinds of question I would expect on this topic. And I did put the link in to the original right at the top but thanks for repeating it ;)

    The s/w industry is beholden to its financial masters and fails to deliver to its customers. Cloud computing offers that possibility. The only reason Sage is dragging its heels, the same as MISO is because of the maintenance revenues aka the golden goose they dare not switch off. Other companies have proven it is possible to do make the switch while remaining profitable.
  • Spot on. Some faulty thinking going on over at Sage. I called and spoke to an executive there to ask if they allow AccPac to integrate with Salesforce.com. The answer. No way - it's one of their biggest competitors. Hmmm... didn't know that Salesforce had an accounting package. Too bad because one of the two packages gets booted if you can't get the CRM and the accounting apps to play nice and share data and it's probably not the CRM platform...
  • Accounting by CODA fully integrated with salesforce CRM, built native in salesforce tools and running alongside crm on salesforce.com servers. So I guess you can say they have accounting now Ian.

    See http://bit.ly/libIQ or www.coda2go.com.
  • Where I think that Sage have the whip hand is that accountants love 'em.

    Lots of SME's buy accounting software based on what their accountants recommend - and, despite accountants like Jason Holden and Phil Richards having the gumption to swim against the tide and learn a new product, plenty of accountants have neither the time nor the inclination to do this.

    So I do think Dennis is right. Sage aren't going anywhere. But it's not because of their product. It's because they've got a very firm grip on the accounting market.

    M
  • "Where I think that Sage have the whip hand is that accountants love ‘em."

    A lot of them don't - a lot of them intensely dislike Sage. Next time you're at our office, remind me to introduce you to Michelle who heads up our Partner Programme, she hears a very different story from the accountants she and her team talk to.

    I posted to my blog a couple of days ago and referenced the same silicon article http://blog.kashflow.com/2009/04/29/sage-multip...
  • Matt - I have to agree with Dennis here. Sage may be slow to move but they're bloody big and have a heap of resource behind them when they do move. It's plain wrong to write them off in the same way it's plain wrong to write Microsoft off...
  • Hi Dennis,

    A great call out in your article. The Sage strategy is a continuous spiral of death for any software company who beleaguers the movement away from the desktop delivery. Their use of the 'Maintenance Revenue Stream' is an attempt to cover up the underlying issues of product/service innovation. Xerox claims the same positivitity about their maintenance revenue stream, called the Annuity Stream. Last ditch, last breath to a strategy-deprived organization overall.
  • Let's be careful we don't write off Sage. They have 5.8 mill users. They're not going away any time soon. The professionals are still important in this market and they're far from persuaded about the value prop. For those of us who think this is a done deal, we need be careful to remember that influencers need drawing into the fold as well.
  • Ollie C
    Sage is dead. Long live Coda2go
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