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Are lawyers brighter than accountants?

by Dennis Howlett on July 19, 2009

Mark Lee Tweeted that he was about to publish a new post:

Just written an article for publication next week: “Are accountants as stupid as lawyers?” Improvement on an old blog: http://bit.ly/Y9cZr

You have to read the whole original piece where Mark is referencing a talk by David Maister but the end section is worth noting:

…if you are like many accountants, and certainly those in larger firms, you will be encouraged to record all time spent with clients as potentially billable. Irrecoverable time costs are frowned upon so best avoided. What behaviour does that approach, that VERY COMMON approach, discourage? In effect it acts as a disincentive to spend time building and developing relationships that could, indeed should, help you to win more valuable and profitable work than your more general and unfocused networking and advertising.

So tell me, are accountants as ’stupid’ as lawyers?

I have no insight into how Mark plans to update the post so I could be wholly wrong – but then your words live forever. Right?

We’re all prone to open generalizations and Mark’s original article certainly has that in spades, failing to point out that there are alternatives to the way you look at your business. For example, why should the billable hour dictate all that we do? The evidence I’ve seen and the experiences I’ve had suggest that the billable hour shackles us from getting things done.

Last week, a colleague was bemoaning the ability to ascribe hours to business development in a meaningful way, largely because they are working on a time based method of recording activity. From this Ivory Tower, that sounds like nonsense. Just how do you figure ROI on biz dev and how do you deal with the costs associated with that activity? Like innovation, I’d suggest you reckon on hitting the ball out the park 1:10 as a conservative starting point and make that the basis for internal discussion on how to win new business. Always remember that no-one ever questions what happened to bring in that top tier client do they? Instead, they forget all the failed attempts elsewhere and concentrate on the prize. That’s human nature. Coincidentally, that 1:10 argument dovetails to Mark’s observations about the effort needed to win new business. What he fails to assess is the value that a new client can bring.

On the other hand, developing new business out of existing is a fine art and not something that can be applied equally. In my case, my original client portfolio was made up of basket cases we nurtured out of difficulty that came to us via bank referral. In the long term, these were some of our most successful clients. They came back to us time and again on everything from buying their next business to the colour of their recently acquired Porsche. One client came to us because we were acting in litigation against them. Another came based on direct industry knowledge and experience. And so it goes. But don’t be fooled; it isn’t as easy as I make it sound.

A couple of weeks ago a partner said to me that clients only let you in so far and that even though you might think you have industry experience based on handling a number of similar cases, you actually only see a slice of what a particular business or industry is about. There is truth in that but I’d equally argue that developing a client relationship is as much about getting your hands dirty as it is about crunching the numbers. I’d always recommend asking a client if you could do something, anything, in their business for a week on a voluntary basis. Fancy serving dinners in a care home? How about holding the silly end of a surveyor’s tape? Or what about wrangling the lights in a theatre production? A week is less than 2% of your whole year but could yield massive rewards. It’s an investment.

My argument would not be: Are accountants as ’stupid’ as lawyers? I think there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Rather, how willing are you to be different and demonstrate that you want to learn? Of course you could still carry on with those outmoded ad campaigns and clapped out websites.

UPDATE: Mark has now updated his post but my opinion stands. If anything, he seems to be giving muddled ‘tips.’ Although talking about working with existing, his tips are peppered with advice about how you might induce clients to talk to peers, presumably with a view to winning ‘new.’

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  • @ed kless

    You speak in riddles, my friend. It is difficult to discern your true opinion of time sheets and hourly billing. :-)

    Srsly tho.

    75% of what I know about getting away from time billing I learned from www.verasage.com. Thanks to you and Ron for the info.

    @philiphodgen
  • Billing by the hour is suboptimal, unethical and immoral.

    Required time tracking is equally hideous and is about the illusion of control.

    Focus on the results, forget about inputs.
  • As someone who is well along the way to no timesheets (and FWIW I'm a lawyer), I think the concept of tracking marketing time is only useful if you're finding it difficult to actually, y'know, get out and get belly-to-belly with humans. (Remember: money comes from humans.)

    But tracking marketing time as "potentially billable" or trying to figure out what your ROI is on going to lunch with a prospect or referral source? Silly. It's like saying what's the payoff for your ability to be able to walk around on the planet in 20 years, so why exercise? Because if you don't go out there and get in front of humans, you'll die as a professional. So the ROI is life or death. Is that good enough to encourage marketing?

    If you need to track your time on a daily basis to keep focused on work instead of futzing around, that's good. But that's not necessary for marketing, and I don't think you can calculate the payoff for marketing in any spreadsheet sense. As I said, long term it is life or death. Binary.

    For those of you who find marketing hard, I will share The Best Marketing Advice I Ever Got. I hired a marketing consultant. The first thing he told me was to go to 2 lunches a week with people. "Who?" I asked. (Thinking he'd say I should be intelligent in selecting accountants, bankers, etc.) "Anyone," he replied. I did that. My income jumped $50,000 that year. And (here is the very important part that I do not want you to miss so I am going to precede it by an extremely annoying and long parenthetical aside) The. New. Business. Mostly. Came. From. Places. Totally. Unrelated. To. The. People. I. Took. To. Lunch. (Did I emphasize my point enough, Dennis?)

    I no longer track admin time and marketing time for myself. My associate does track it because he wants the self-discipline of focus. That's fine. I don't even look at his time tracking. :-)
  • Ali Choudhury
    Re: time-sheets, I'll repost with some amendments what I said at Ask M:

    I've worked in a practice which ran without time-sheets and one which made heavy use of them.

    On balance, I'm in favour. They are a hassle to maintain but they make you work more efficiently. They focus your attention on turning down unprofitable jobs. They put the onus on practice management to avoid giving you non-chargeable assignments like IT support, admin and training.

    If it takes you longer than expected to deliver the work due to your own inefficiency, you take the hit. The client would only get billed extra if they've screwed things up at their end or they want extra work done.

    I haven't seen many examples of time-sheets discouraging you from networking with existing clients. Most client communications tend to relate to ongoing assignments and you naturally find out about extra work opportunities in the course of this. If clients trust you, they will bring referrals around without you having to do much legwork.

    Time-sheets might discourage networking with potential clients since the time isn't chargeable but I haven't met a partner dumb enough to think meeting new contacts is a waste of practice resources. In the case of the firm I work for now, I agree a certain amount of time per month to be spent on business development with the managing partner. It's not chargeable and thus doesn't count towards my billing targets. However the time spent doing this can be flexed off i.e. I can go to a BNI meeting in the morning and leave work at 4pm. I also get a nice bonus if I succeed in winning a new client.

    "There is truth in that but I’d equally argue that developing a client relationship is as much about getting your hands dirty as it is about crunching the numbers. I’d always recommend asking a client if you could do something, anything, in their business for a week on a voluntary basis."

    I reckon my clients would think I've gone bonkers if I asked that. They'd think our firm was blatantly overcharging them if they could afford to spend staff out for a week doing a McJob.

    Instead of that, I find it helps a lot if you actively resist the assembly-line mentality and put some time into understanding their history, even if you can't bill all the time. Find out what their plans are and what they hope to achieve. Ask them about their biggest obstacles to growth. A lot of their problems whatever their industry will be fairly generic. You can supplement that by Googling for the odd industry article. Keep in touch with everything that's being done for them by your firm across every department. I think the key to building a client relationship is showing you care.
  • "“There is truth in that but I’d equally argue that developing a client relationship is as much about getting your hands dirty as it is about crunching the numbers. I’d always recommend asking a client if you could do something, anything, in their business for a week on a voluntary basis.”

    I reckon my clients would think I’ve gone bonkers if I asked that. They’d think our firm was blatantly overcharging them if they could afford to spend staff out for a week doing a McJob. "

    Ali - I speak from experience...this is not about having the accountants' mentality but about walking in their shoes...in my experience, clients appreciate that and see 'you' in a different way.
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