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> <channel><title>Comments on: Pay to play does cut it?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/11/15/pay-to-play-does-cut-it/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/11/15/pay-to-play-does-cut-it/</link> <description>never knowingly under opinionated</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:14:26 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Louis Vuitton handbags</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/11/15/pay-to-play-does-cut-it/comment-page-1/#comment-399725</link> <dc:creator>Louis Vuitton handbags</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:42:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=5948#comment-399725</guid> <description>I find this broader discussion of our industry&#039;s model and evolution interesting and obviously very important to me but I also think the broader discussion is grossly incomplete. I&#039;m not pointing to this post, which actually is among the most thoughtful of the whole, long thread. Missing from the discussion is customer needs (an issue I address in the above-mentioned discussion with Gideon (which you can view here:</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this broader discussion of our industry&#39;s model and evolution interesting and obviously very important to me but I also think the broader discussion is grossly incomplete. I&#39;m not pointing to this post, which actually is among the most thoughtful of the whole, long thread. Missing from the discussion is customer needs (an issue I address in the above-mentioned discussion with Gideon (which you can view here:</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dahowlett</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/11/15/pay-to-play-does-cut-it/comment-page-1/#comment-399663</link> <dc:creator>dahowlett</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:25:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=5948#comment-399663</guid> <description>Hi Jonathan and thanks for that. I think that Enterprise Advocates is attempting to do something like what&#039;s described in the two videos. I draw comfort from that but also comfort from other things I know are going on that seem similar to what Gideon describes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jonathan and thanks for that. I think that Enterprise Advocates is attempting to do something like what&#39;s described in the two videos. I draw comfort from that but also comfort from other things I know are going on that seem similar to what Gideon describes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jonathan L. Yarmis</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/11/15/pay-to-play-does-cut-it/comment-page-1/#comment-399661</link> <dc:creator>Jonathan L. Yarmis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 02:45:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=5948#comment-399661</guid> <description>I find this broader discussion of our industry&#039;s model and evolution interesting and obviously very important to me but I also think the broader discussion is grossly incomplete.  I&#039;m not pointing to this post, which actually is among the most thoughtful of the whole, long thread.  Missing from the discussion is customer needs (an issue I address in the above-mentioned discussion with Gideon (which you can view here:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://iiar.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/world-exclusive-gideon-gartner-on-the-iiar-blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://iiar.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/world-excl...&lt;/a&gt; ).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I take a simple view of things.  If we&#039;re meeting customer needs, we&#039;ll likely find a way of extracting economic value, be we large firm or small, new or traditional.  What&#039;s important in my mind, therefore, is my belief that customer needs *have* changed.  No longer is tech advice relevant.  Much as we&#039;ve stopped talking about eBusiness because it&#039;s now just one component of business, so too can we no longer talk about technology without talking about business, or business without talking about technology.  That&#039;s where the current model is broken.  We&#039;re selling technology insights to technologists.  Is it any wonder why the average tenure of a CIO is so brief?  Only once we&#039;ve agreed on what the unmet customer needs are can we begin to address the issue of the right approach to satisfy those needs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course it&#039;s hugely self-serving of me to say this -- this is Datamonitor and Ovum&#039;s value proposition, after all -- but I dare anyone to say this isn&#039;t the unmet need.  It&#039;s clearly open for debate whether we can do it or what the right approach to meeting that need is, and I certainly acknowledge our challenges in that regard.  But if we continue to have this discussion about the analyst industry without turning into a discussion about the customer needs, we won&#039;t serve the needs of our customers and potential customers and after all, isn&#039;t that the kind of discussion we want to have with them?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this broader discussion of our industry&#39;s model and evolution interesting and obviously very important to me but I also think the broader discussion is grossly incomplete.  I&#39;m not pointing to this post, which actually is among the most thoughtful of the whole, long thread.  Missing from the discussion is customer needs (an issue I address in the above-mentioned discussion with Gideon (which you can view here: <a
href="http://iiar.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/world-exclusive-gideon-gartner-on-the-iiar-blog/" rel="nofollow"></a><a
href="http://iiar.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/world-excl.." rel="nofollow">http://iiar.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/world-excl..</a>. ).</p><p>I take a simple view of things.  If we&#39;re meeting customer needs, we&#39;ll likely find a way of extracting economic value, be we large firm or small, new or traditional.  What&#39;s important in my mind, therefore, is my belief that customer needs *have* changed.  No longer is tech advice relevant.  Much as we&#39;ve stopped talking about eBusiness because it&#39;s now just one component of business, so too can we no longer talk about technology without talking about business, or business without talking about technology.  That&#39;s where the current model is broken.  We&#39;re selling technology insights to technologists.  Is it any wonder why the average tenure of a CIO is so brief?  Only once we&#39;ve agreed on what the unmet customer needs are can we begin to address the issue of the right approach to satisfy those needs.</p><p>Of course it&#39;s hugely self-serving of me to say this &#8212; this is Datamonitor and Ovum&#39;s value proposition, after all &#8212; but I dare anyone to say this isn&#39;t the unmet need.  It&#39;s clearly open for debate whether we can do it or what the right approach to meeting that need is, and I certainly acknowledge our challenges in that regard.  But if we continue to have this discussion about the analyst industry without turning into a discussion about the customer needs, we won&#39;t serve the needs of our customers and potential customers and after all, isn&#39;t that the kind of discussion we want to have with them?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don&#8217;t sweat the short stuff &#171; Authentic Voice</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/11/15/pay-to-play-does-cut-it/comment-page-1/#comment-399564</link> <dc:creator>Don&#8217;t sweat the short stuff &#171; Authentic Voice</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:50:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=5948#comment-399564</guid> <description>[...] Pay to play does cut it? (accmanpro.com) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pay to play does cut it? (accmanpro.com) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jonerp</title><link>http://www.accmanpro.com/2009/11/15/pay-to-play-does-cut-it/comment-page-1/#comment-399557</link> <dc:creator>jonerp</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:18:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.accmanpro.com/?p=5948#comment-399557</guid> <description>Dennis, good stuff and a welcome expansion to the discussion Dobrin started. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not going to inflict your post with a lengthy comment as I did to David, but I will say that I think the rise of the so-called &quot;independent analyst&quot; is a welcome development for people who have a lot to say but never liked the results of a filtered editorial process inside a larger institution and all the agendas that water down the commentary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I find myself not caring that much about what happens to the big firms, except to say that they are certainly scrambling to reconsider many aspects of their business models, something that David didn&#039;t note in his piece if I recall. What does interest me is how the independents of this world construct their own business models. I have no doubt that many interesting variations will develop (RedMonk being one example), but I for one hope that independents can find a way to prosper by bringing forth honest and transparent data and commentary. The end result should be a much more balanced analyst community where analysts feel much more accountable to their peers and less able to hide behind name brands.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, good stuff and a welcome expansion to the discussion Dobrin started.</p><p>I&#39;m not going to inflict your post with a lengthy comment as I did to David, but I will say that I think the rise of the so-called &#8220;independent analyst&#8221; is a welcome development for people who have a lot to say but never liked the results of a filtered editorial process inside a larger institution and all the agendas that water down the commentary.</p><p>I find myself not caring that much about what happens to the big firms, except to say that they are certainly scrambling to reconsider many aspects of their business models, something that David didn&#39;t note in his piece if I recall. What does interest me is how the independents of this world construct their own business models. I have no doubt that many interesting variations will develop (RedMonk being one example), but I for one hope that independents can find a way to prosper by bringing forth honest and transparent data and commentary. The end result should be a much more balanced analyst community where analysts feel much more accountable to their peers and less able to hide behind name brands.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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