Earlier this week I was in London for a customer update on SAP Business ByDesign (BYD). This was an analyst/media only event so we didn’t have the opportunity to sense test the messaging from potential customers. Nevertheless, those of us from the analyst brigade who were in the room have all been following the story for some time.
SAP wheeled out customers who are in the process of implementing BYD rather than those that have been running the whole suite live. That’s OK as it provides a different set of insights as to their experience. Nigel Montgomery, Gartner analyst asked the first question. He took the words out of my mouth asking about the buy process. It was noticeable that none of the customers, which also included two partners, had undertaken any formal due diligence process. One customer who is also a long term partner with SAP described the decision as a ‘no-brainer.’ Another said she had ‘Spoken with my mates.’ SAP admitted that none of its BYD sales to date have required a Request For Proposal, which is the usual way that vendors are selected for this style of application.
I suspect some of the analysts in the room will be worried since that also implies that none of the Big Boys, like Gartner, figure into the discussion. Gartner makes money from selling subscription and report services to both vendors and buyers so this absence of attention to other forms of influence beyond brand must be a worry to them and others.
What was telling is all the industry customers had either looked at or had used Salesforce.com and were either discarding or taking them off their shortlist. The irony of that setup was not lost on me. The message was clear: Salesforce.com does sales force automation, we do the end to end business process, ergo we have much more to offer for not much more in differential cost.
It was also interesting to hear the degree of trust that newly minted customers are putting into SAP. I asked why they chose SAP over say NetSuite for professional services when it is clear that at the moment, SAP is behind the functional curve. “We trust that SAP will get it right in the long haul and that we will be OK by the time we implement the whole solution.” That makes sense when you are implementing modules such as CRM and finance in pieces over time. It is an approach that is eminently do-able with BYD without losing the integrity of a fully integrated offering.
However, I was surprised that none of the customers appeared to understand the potential for transformational benefit coming from a SaaS offering. That is particularly telling when considering that at least half the customer panel are in services industries. Why? Services businesses do not require a physical infrastructure beyond a central office. Even then it is possible to envisage virtual offices but that may be some years away. In turn that means it is relatively easy to expand the business without making large capital investments. Taken one step further, that means the potential to create global services businesses based on the Internet is real. I know that to be true because over the last few years I have participated in a number of successful, project based virtual teams.
SAP is starting to get ByDesign ‘right.’ By that I mean that the degree to which it is functionally complete is sufficient for most SMEs to get going and run their whole business using (mostly) BYD. The roadmap is solid through 2012 and on the basis of the detail I have seen, I can understand customer confidence. The partner program is starting to come together albeit slowly and the go to market story, while still fragmented, is becoming a lot more cohesive and sensible than this time last year.
BYD has one thing going for it I believe is unique and which should receive far more attention. The solution configurator is an excellent way of not only selling the SAP solution set but also a way for buyers to think about how and when they will implement functionality. So for example I can say that I want to implement CRM now but leave out marketing until later. The marketing ‘piece’ can then have a note attached to it that could calendarise a revisit at some point in the future. Just as important – when configuring a system, buyers can see what pieces of functionality they need to review and the steps needed in order to get the system into go live status. As far as I am aware no other vendor can offer that functionality from inside its system. It is a huge time saver and should ensure much higher implementation success rates than are usual for this class of software.
I was particularly pleased to see that in the UK, SAP has made the right decision to bring in fresh blood to run the BYD unit rather than stick with internal promotion of seasoned SAPpers. Why? SAP’s culture does things to people. For example, if you’ve not been there 5 years then you’re considered wet behind the ears. If you’ve been there 1o years then you have started to earn credibility. 15 years and you’re considered someone who knows what they’re talking about. 20 years and you haven’t earned your exit but you are someone to be respected.
But that view of what it means to be a SAPper also means you end up doing two things: talking SAPenese – a language only people who work in the SAP world truly understand, second you tend to think long and hard about issues before making decisions. Even then it’s likely to have gone the rounds of various committees. That’s an over simplification but it is something I have consistently observed over the years of dealing with SAP. The flip side is that does not make for an agile business of the kind that modern software companies need to be. New blood means new thinking and a willingness to barge through SAP’s own flavour of red tape to get results.
Right now, SAP is looking for growth based businesses. The UK team believes that’s how they will achieve volume sales. I don’t entirely agree given SAP has said it would like to sell into the subsidiaries of its global 2000 customer list. I was less satisfied with their position on partners. It didn’t strike me that SAP UK has a fully worked out partner acquisition strategy. On the one hand it is saying that it will look for new types of consulting practice that ‘gets’ the new model of acting as a reseller for SaaS services. On the other hand, the two customers/partners on the panel were both existing partners that acknowledge a need for rethinking. I don’t doubt they will be successful but just how many of those resellers are there? Precious few. SAP needs to be careful it doesn’t waste marketing resource flogging a solution into channels that are not receptive or which don’t see a need for change. Having said that, I have fielded a number of inquiries from professional firms thinking about BYD as a solution they should consider offering.
Overall? I make no secret of the fact I believe SAP has potential to deliver the best set of integrated applications for the SaaS/cloud end to end business process market. The fact it has 1,800 developers on the project is something others can only dream about. Go to market has been an angst driven path to date but the lumps are being smoothed out and the message is much more encouraging and coherent. To its credit, SAP has made many adjustments in the last six months, ditching old ways for new and largely getting it right. Now is the time for them to accelerate customer acquisitions. 1,000 is the number CEO Bill McDermott told me he’d like to see by the end of the year with hopes SAP can get there by the end of September. That makes some execs wince but it is do-able.




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Interesting observations. I wonder what this also foreshadows for the channel efforts of companies like SAP and Netsuite, etc.
I’ve always felt that unless VARS can come up with some “special sauce” to add to the mix that there really is not going to be a big opportunity for them to play the same role in the selection and implementation of SAAS ERP solutions.
@wayne: the new model requires a fresh understanding of what it means to be a VAR. SAP is offering opportunities for the traditional VAR that wants to engage in implementation services. It is also offering opportunities for solution sellers to add value through the creation of add-ons that become part of the SAP Appstore. So in reality there are opportunities – it’s all about figuring what you want to be as a reseller.
@wayne: the new model requires a fresh understanding of what it means to be a VAR. SAP is offering opportunities for the traditional VAR that wants to engage in implementation services. It is also offering opportunities for solution sellers to add value through the creation of add-ons that become part of the SAP Appstore. So in reality there are opportunities – it’s all about figuring what you want to be as a reseller.
Excellent article, Dennis, and thanks for the insightful update. Re the clients’ lack of due diligence prior to acquisition, all of my research reveals that the smaller the firm the less due diligence regarding acquisitions of any kind. As such, I would venture that the clients you met with are representative of the vast majority in SAP’s target market.
@michael – I won’t argue the point. I do see professional firms of accountants that act as implementers ensuring their clients understand what’s going on through a quasi-RFP process and that will continue. But I think that with issues saas introduces, customers should at least look at adopting an RFP style of approach.
Dennis, I still see a major concern in this. People are buying the product merely because its SAP. Similar to how some buy Apple stuff because it’s Apple.
However this is mission critical ERP software. After these early koolaid drinkers, then whats going to happen? And what about all the gaping holes people may find in the software since it sounds like they did very little research on the fit of the solution to their business?
I smell train wreck projects IMHO.
Mark
Clients First Business Solutions, LLC
http://www.clientsfirst-us.com
@mark – customer churn will be the deciding factor but as someone who reviews software for a living I am satisfied that it is functionally OK as a broad solution set. The customer list is growing and there is real seriousness about putting it into large co. subsidiaries. Check out Skull Candy – they’re getting just fine.
Excellent article, Dennis, and thanks for the insightful update. Re the clients’ lack of due diligence prior to acquisition, all of my research reveals that the smaller the firm the less due diligence regarding acquisitions of any kind. As such, I would venture that the clients you met with are representative of the vast majority in SAP’s target market.
@michael – I won’t argue the point. I do see professional firms of accountants that act as implementers ensuring their clients understand what’s going on through a quasi-RFP process and that will continue. But I think that with issues saas introduces, customers should at least look at adopting an RFP style of approach.
Dennis, I still see a major concern in this. People are buying the product merely because its SAP. Similar to how some buy Apple stuff because it’s Apple.
However this is mission critical ERP software. After these early koolaid drinkers, then whats going to happen? And what about all the gaping holes people may find in the software since it sounds like they did very little research on the fit of the solution to their business?
I smell train wreck projects IMHO.
Mark
Clients First Business Solutions, LLC
http://www.clientsfirst-us.com
@mark – customer churn will be the deciding factor but as someone who reviews software for a living I am satisfied that it is functionally OK as a broad solution set. The customer list is growing and there is real seriousness about putting it into large co. subsidiaries. Check out Skull Candy – they’re getting just fine.
Dennis, thanks for this this update. I think the “mate” and “no-brainer” approach is refreshing. It shows that giving out BYD pricing and thus more tangibility can work. Moreover, it gives the sector the transparency it deserves.
On the other hand I find the lack of Due Diligence, RFP slightly worrying, especially when it comes to lock-in. If it is easy to get into a SaaS product, how easy would it be to come out of it? Or what in a take-over situation? I do see the need for some independent advice here.
Regards,
M
@michael – you are correct which of course is what I *would* say given that’s part of what I do in the real world.
Dennis, thanks for this this update. I think the “mate” and “no-brainer” approach is refreshing. It shows that giving out BYD pricing and thus more tangibility can work. Moreover, it gives the sector the transparency it deserves.
On the other hand I find the lack of Due Diligence, RFP slightly worrying, especially when it comes to lock-in. If it is easy to get into a SaaS product, how easy would it be to come out of it? Or what in a take-over situation? I do see the need for some independent advice here.
Regards,
M
@michael – you are correct which of course is what I *would* say given that’s part of what I do in the real world.
Thank you very much for this update. As a Solution Reseller (and upcoming Solution Partner) in Germany, I highly appreciate your efforts and your distinguished view on SAP Business ByDesign. It is interesting to see that most issues and approaches in the UK seem to be fully in-line with the ones seen in Germany.
I would love to follow up with you. Could you contact me please? I have a contact form on the site. Thanks
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Thank you very much for this update. As a Solution Reseller (and upcoming Solution Partner) in Germany, I highly appreciate your efforts and your distinguished view on SAP Business ByDesign. It is interesting to see that most issues and approaches in the UK seem to be fully in-line with the ones seen in Germany.
I would love to follow up with you. Could you contact me please? I have a contact form on the site. Thanks
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Hi Dennis,
Due Diligence is one thing (i.e. test drive the product), but regarding the RFP or lack thereof, wolud saleforce,com or xero.com/ actually RESPOND to an RFP ? I would have thought that the SaaS pricing model precluded dealing with RFPs.
FWIW, My accountant doesn’t care what accounting package I use. He does warn me that the less ‘organised’ the package is the more it will cost at the end of the year (the current rate for the ‘shoebox’ method is 75% of Gross).
Martin – fully agree with you on the RFP part. I wrote a bit about this too referencing dennis’s great article. http://www.skyytek.com/blog/2011/2/25/sap-business-bydesign-adding-color-to-the-in-built-solution.html – at first I thought it was a Euro thing more than US thing.
Hi Dennis,
Due Diligence is one thing (i.e. test drive the product), but regarding the RFP or lack thereof, wolud saleforce,com or xero.com/ actually RESPOND to an RFP ? I would have thought that the SaaS pricing model precluded dealing with RFPs.
FWIW, My accountant doesn’t care what accounting package I use. He does warn me that the less ‘organised’ the package is the more it will cost at the end of the year (the current rate for the ‘shoebox’ method is 75% of Gross).
Martin – fully agree with you on the RFP part. I wrote a bit about this too referencing dennis’s great article. http://www.skyytek.com/blog/2011/2/25/sap-business-bydesign-adding-color-to-the-in-built-solution.html – at first I thought it was a Euro thing more than US thing.
Hi all, I found SAP Business ByDesign to be a good product. Its clearly not SAP best product but it defiantly makes things a lot easier at the end of tax year. I am a relatively small business but I purchased it because the product can be used as my business grows.
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